Hey Quiliro,

thanks for your response.


Nov 21, 2019, 01:26 by quil...@riseup.net:

>> especially as we know for sure that he faked
>> documents he shared here and in his blog before?
>>
>
> I do not know that HE faked anything. I don't understand who is "we" in
> your statement. It is possible that I would not trust someone. But I
> will not judge them guilty even if the law claims them offenders, unless
> I personally can see proof which convinces me. Anyway, the documents
> FSFE publishes are the best source.
>

I agree regarding the document source. That's the minutes FSFE published: 
https://fsfe.org/about/legal/minutes/minutes-2019-10-12.en.pdf


And that's the fake Daniel published in a way that it looks like the original 
and which he used to construct his 
story:https://fsfellowship.eu/assets/fsfe-minutes-2019-10-12.en.pdf

Before that there where more fake documents spread in this list. I asked him if 
he also created the other fake documents but he refused to answer.


>> As you are a FSFLA member. Did you reached out to your sister
>> organizations (FSFE, FSF US and maybe some colleagues at FSFLA) and
>> asked them about their opinion to get some first hand information?
>>
>
> Not FSFE, but the others yes. Nevertheless, they are very cautious about
> making public statements lately.
>

please let us know if you have an answer.



>> Did
>> you already reached out to John Sullivan pointing him to the mail
>> shared by Daniel and asked him if this is really what he wrote?>
>>
>
> I might. This is not necessary at the moment because the issue is not
> John's email. The main issue for me is if FSFE is in fact working in the
> same direction that FSF has or it takes the direction of OSI.
>

Many arguments which might suggest that FSFE is no longer on track are based on 
documents and mails spread here. So I think the question whether they are true 
or if all the arguments are build on fake mails and documents is a crucial one.



>  If it is
> the later, I or of any of the organizations I support would not make
> FSFE an allie.
>

It seems like at the moment at least all the other FSF* consider FSFE still an 
allie, maybe that a more trustworthy source then a mailing list where it is 
proven that the main initiator spreed fake documents in order to support his 
arguments?


>
> My connections to these organizations are as direct as yours. I am not
> searching for personal positions from the members of these
> organizations. 
>

OK, then it was my misunderstanding. I thought you are an active FSFLA member 
with internal contacts.


>
> It is also necessary to stop attacking Daniel because FSFE is a stronger
> party than him. It is not a fair fight. A mob attack is not good image
> for an organization. Rather, FSFE should concentrate on its transparency
> about how it handles affairs, instead of letting doubts arise by the
> secrecy.
>

For me it is still not clear who attacks whom. If I look at all the mails here, 
the fake documents, the blog posts it looks like Daniel is attacking various 
free software organizations way more than the other way around.


>> Just asking questions...
>>
>
> A lot of statements in your questions!
>

But most of the time statements which carry a indirect question mark ;)


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