Re: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help
On 5/10/06, Bao C. Ha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lars, I still could not duplicate the errors! What is the brand of CF that you are using? How many MB does it actually have? It could be that I made an assumption that is wrong for your CF brand. The conf directory is at the end of the CF, so it may not actually be written. Lexar Compact Flash - 249MB actual capacity. I found a workaround. I grabbed an extra Dell Desktop, removed its hard drive replaced it with the 249MB Lexar Compact Flash. Then I booted off the LiveCD(beta 4) installed pfSense using option 99. I partitioned the CF card with 244 on /, no swap partition. On the advice of a fellow in the IRC channel I disabled logging to the local CF Card. After installing to the CF card it was placed in the previously non-working box booted off CF w/o a problem. pfSense is working for this client now, and I'm happy to confirm that the traffic shaping is working with SIP IAX2 on this CF install by copying the definitions created by by the EZ traffic shaper wizard and adding them to IAX2 port 4569. We did some stress tests using BitTorrent broadbandreports.com and voice quality was unaffected! There were 4 boxes involved in this scenario. pfSense would not install to the hard drive or CF on 3 of them, but would install to the hard drive using the 4th box - the Dell Dimension 2400 desktop. That same desktop box was the system used to install pfSense to the CF card. The Lexar CF card then booted fine as previously described. I'll see if I can get some hardware specs on the 3 boxes that initially failed to install. Bao, thanks for your responses. -- Lars
Re: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help
Lars Rasmussen wrote: I partitioned the CF card with 244 on /, no swap partition. On the advice of a fellow in the IRC channel I disabled logging to the local CF Card. After installing to the CF card it was placed in the previously non-working box booted off CF w/o a problem. I think you have to change the 'platform' type to 'embedded' if you use a CF as boot media. The 'pfsense' type is mounting the hard disk RW, and you risk burning your CF. I don't know if the embedded config can be run with a real VGA on a real PC, though. Angelo Modena-Italy
Re: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help
On 5/16/06, Angelo Turetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lars Rasmussen wrote: I think you have to change the 'platform' type to 'embedded' if you use a CF as boot media. The 'pfsense' type is mounting the hard disk RW, and you risk burning your CF. I don't know if the embedded config can be run with a real VGA on a real PC, though. Embedded images lack keyboard and VGA. This is how we get around the fact that the WRAP bios is brain-dead and crashes if they are present. Scott
Re: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help
Scott Ullrich wrote: On 5/16/06, Angelo Turetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you have to change the 'platform' type to 'embedded' if you use a CF as boot media. The 'pfsense' type is mounting the hard disk RW, and you risk burning your CF. I don't know if the embedded config can be run with a real VGA on a real PC, though. Embedded images lack keyboard and VGA. This is how we get around the fact that the WRAP bios is brain-dead and crashes if they are present. And what about the case in original post? He has installed the full version from CD-ROM to a CF (used as a hard disk). I'm confident that such a setup results in a platform setting of 'pfsense'. If I later change the platform to 'embedded', can I use it on a 'Real PC'? (for example, using an ATA-to-CF adapter). Of course I'll lose the package manager, but will the VGA work as usual? Thanks, Angelo.
Re: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help
On 5/16/06, Angelo Turetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what about the case in original post? He has installed the full version from CD-ROM to a CF (used as a hard disk). I'm confident that such a setup results in a platform setting of 'pfsense'. If I later change the platform to 'embedded', can I use it on a 'Real PC'? (for example, using an ATA-to-CF adapter). Of course I'll lose the package manager, but will the VGA work as usual? Yes, your thinking is correct.
Re: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help
On 5/16/06, Angelo Turetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what about the case in original post? He has installed the full version from CD-ROM to a CF (used as a hard disk). I'm confident that such a setup results in a platform setting of 'pfsense'. If I later change the platform to 'embedded', can I use it on a 'Real PC'? (for example, using an ATA-to-CF adapter). Of course I'll lose the package manager, but will the VGA work as usual? Correct, the two major differences between embedded and full are the kernel (the embedded images lack VGA and keyboard) and the disk being mounted rw/ro. There are other minor differences.../var/* are symlinks to /tmp on embedded and /tmp is a ramdisk - this is why most things disappear on reboot for embedded images, we simply don't preserve them. I don't recall if the /var stuff is part of the build, or something that's created on the fly if platform == embedded. --Bill
Re: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help
It is the same thing I did. I use the standard image to build the CF version. Just change the version from pfsense to embedded. Bao On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 01:29:19PM -0400, Scott Ullrich wrote: On 5/16/06, Angelo Turetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what about the case in original post? He has installed the full version from CD-ROM to a CF (used as a hard disk). I'm confident that such a setup results in a platform setting of 'pfsense'. If I later change the platform to 'embedded', can I use it on a 'Real PC'? (for example, using an ATA-to-CF adapter). Of course I'll lose the package manager, but will the VGA work as usual? Yes, your thinking is correct. -- Best Regards. Bao C. Ha Hacom OpenBrick Distributor USA http://www.hacom.net voice: (714) 530-8817 fax: (714) 530-8818 8D66 6672 7A9B 6879 85CD 42E0 9F6C 7908 ED95 6B38
Re: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help
On Tue, 16 May 2006 12:55:03 -0500 Bill Marquette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One little trick with Bao's image (if you have a large enough flash card - 256 for mine, and enough system ram), you can change the -s16m in /etc/fstab to -s64m for the /tmp ramdrive, symlink /var/tmp to /tmp. Update /etc/platform back to pfsense, and then you can apply a full update to it. The trick is making sure you have enough space in It can be a great advantage :) After changing the platform I have to reboot anyway, or is there an other (shorter) way to make the new platform valid? /tmp ;) And of course...this only works on a full install to CF that's had it's platform changed...don't try this on a native embedded, you'll blow up the kernel. And as always...such playing around is unsupported, but fwiw, I did exactly that last night. --Bill signature.asc Description: PGP signature
RE: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help
Yes - it works fine. However you will loose your RRD graphs at reboot, and to do a firmware update you need to change /etc/platform back to pfSense, then reboot, then upgrade, then reboot, then change /etc/platform back to embedded, then reboot. Also while the machine is in the embedded state, you cannot install packages (however you can use already-installed packages) Doing it this way means the VA console and PS/2 keyboard will work fine. You can enable a serial console too by editing /etc/ttys and changing off to on for the ttyd0 line. -Original Message- From: Angelo Turetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2006 5:22 a.m. To: discussion@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help Scott Ullrich wrote: On 5/16/06, Angelo Turetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you have to change the 'platform' type to 'embedded' if you use a CF as boot media. The 'pfsense' type is mounting the hard disk RW, and you risk burning your CF. I don't know if the embedded config can be run with a real VGA on a real PC, though. Embedded images lack keyboard and VGA. This is how we get around the fact that the WRAP bios is brain-dead and crashes if they are present. And what about the case in original post? He has installed the full version from CD-ROM to a CF (used as a hard disk). I'm confident that such a setup results in a platform setting of 'pfsense'. If I later change the platform to 'embedded', can I use it on a 'Real PC'? (for example, using an ATA-to-CF adapter). Of course I'll lose the package manager, but will the VGA work as usual? Thanks, Angelo.
RE: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help
RRD graphs will be stored on scheduled reboots (if you trigger them by hitting either reboot from the webgui or shellmenu) even for embedded systems or systems that act like embeddeds. Holger -Original Message- From: Craig FALCONER [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2006 11:36 PM To: discussion@pfsense.com Subject: RE: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help Yes - it works fine. However you will loose your RRD graphs at reboot, and to do a firmware update you need to change /etc/platform back to pfSense, then reboot, then upgrade, then reboot, then change /etc/platform back to embedded, then reboot. Also while the machine is in the embedded state, you cannot install packages (however you can use already-installed packages) Doing it this way means the VA console and PS/2 keyboard will work fine. You can enable a serial console too by editing /etc/ttys and changing off to on for the ttyd0 line. -Original Message- From: Angelo Turetta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2006 5:22 a.m. To: discussion@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help Scott Ullrich wrote: On 5/16/06, Angelo Turetta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you have to change the 'platform' type to 'embedded' if you use a CF as boot media. The 'pfsense' type is mounting the hard disk RW, and you risk burning your CF. I don't know if the embedded config can be run with a real VGA on a real PC, though. Embedded images lack keyboard and VGA. This is how we get around the fact that the WRAP bios is brain-dead and crashes if they are present. And what about the case in original post? He has installed the full version from CD-ROM to a CF (used as a hard disk). I'm confident that such a setup results in a platform setting of 'pfsense'. If I later change the platform to 'embedded', can I use it on a 'Real PC'? (for example, using an ATA-to-CF adapter). Of course I'll lose the package manager, but will the VGA work as usual? Thanks, Angelo. Virus checked by G DATA AntiVirusKit
Re: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help
On 5/16/06, Craig FALCONER [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh cool thanks - I haven't rebooted a post beta2 machine yet :) yeah, added for beta4 I believe :) --Bill
Re: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help
Hi Lars, Which image did you used? Thanks. Bao On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 07:07:41AM -0500, Lars Rasmussen wrote: Howdy all, I've installed pfSense many times since alpha revs to a hard drive, but never successfully to Compact Flash. I used one of Bao's 256M beta 3 CF-IDE image on a PC with a VGA interface(no WRAP) with a CF-IDE bridge, 256M CF card, two 3Com NICS, one Intel NIC, and 512M RAM. I'm looking for a way to replace /conf.default/config.xml with /conf/config.xml so my changes to the config will persist. I'm able to access the web interface, but upon reboot I get a default state. Perhaps it would be better to start from a beta 4 liveCD boot go from there? Any pointers to applicable docs or suggested install/partioning scenarios would be appreciated. -- Lars -- Best Regards. Bao C. Ha Hacom OpenBrick Distributor USA http://www.hacom.net voice: (714) 530-8817 fax: (714) 530-8818 8D66 6672 7A9B 6879 85CD 42E0 9F6C 7908 ED95 6B38
Re: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help
I used http://shopping.hacom.net/catalog/pub/pfsense/pfSense-1.0-BETA3-256-ad0.img.gz -- Lars On 5/10/06, Bao C. Ha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lars, Which image did you used? Thanks. Bao On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 07:07:41AM -0500, Lars Rasmussen wrote: Howdy all, I've installed pfSense many times since alpha revs to a hard drive, but never successfully to Compact Flash. I used one of Bao's 256M beta 3 CF-IDE image on a PC with a VGA interface(no WRAP) with a CF-IDE bridge, 256M CF card, two 3Com NICS, one Intel NIC, and 512M RAM. I'm looking for a way to replace /conf.default/config.xml with /conf/config.xml so my changes to the config will persist. I'm able to access the web interface, but upon reboot I get a default state. Perhaps it would be better to start from a beta 4 liveCD boot go from there? Any pointers to applicable docs or suggested install/partioning scenarios would be appreciated. -- Lars
Re: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help
Hi Lars, I don't have problems updating the configuration using the web. Could you show me a step-by-step procedure to dupluicate it? Earlier on, we did have that problem. And, I was afraid I might re-introduce it back. Thanks. Bao On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:37:08AM -0500, Lars Rasmussen wrote: I used http://shopping.hacom.net/catalog/pub/pfsense/pfSense-1.0-BETA3-256-ad0.img.gz -- Lars On 5/10/06, Bao C. Ha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lars, Which image did you used? Thanks. Bao On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 07:07:41AM -0500, Lars Rasmussen wrote: Howdy all, I've installed pfSense many times since alpha revs to a hard drive, but never successfully to Compact Flash. I used one of Bao's 256M beta 3 CF-IDE image on a PC with a VGA interface(no WRAP) with a CF-IDE bridge, 256M CF card, two 3Com NICS, one Intel NIC, and 512M RAM. I'm looking for a way to replace /conf.default/config.xml with /conf/config.xml so my changes to the config will persist. I'm able to access the web interface, but upon reboot I get a default state. Perhaps it would be better to start from a beta 4 liveCD boot go from there? Any pointers to applicable docs or suggested install/partioning scenarios would be appreciated. -- Lars -- Best Regards. Bao C. Ha Hacom OpenBrick Distributor USA http://www.hacom.net voice: (714) 530-8817 fax: (714) 530-8818 8D66 6672 7A9B 6879 85CD 42E0 9F6C 7908 ED95 6B38
Re: [pfSense-discussion] CF-IDE install help
Hi Lars, I still could not duplicate the errors! What is the brand of CF that you are using? How many MB does it actually have? It could be that I made an assumption that is wrong for your CF brand. The conf directory is at the end of the CF, so it may not actually be written. Also, are you in the States? I could swap one of our CF with yours. You would have a CF that we know to work. And I will have a better chance to debug the problem. Thanks. Bao On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 12:11:29PM -0500, Lars Rasmussen wrote: 1. dd the image to the CF card boot 2. assign interfaces (LAN,WAN, OPT1, OPT2) 3. assign LAN ip address 4. log into web interface assign static WAN IP 5. backup changes(config.xml) If I then reboot all my changes are lost. -- Lars On 5/10/06, Bao C. Ha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lars, I don't have problems updating the configuration using the web. Could you show me a step-by-step procedure to dupluicate it? Earlier on, we did have that problem. And, I was afraid I might re-introduce it back. Thanks. Bao On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 09:37:08AM -0500, Lars Rasmussen wrote: I used http://shopping.hacom.net/catalog/pub/pfsense/pfSense-1.0-BETA3-256-ad0.img.gz -- Lars On 5/10/06, Bao C. Ha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Lars, Which image did you used? Thanks. Bao On Wed, May 10, 2006 at 07:07:41AM -0500, Lars Rasmussen wrote: Howdy all, I've installed pfSense many times since alpha revs to a hard drive, but never successfully to Compact Flash. I used one of Bao's 256M beta 3 CF-IDE image on a PC with a VGA interface(no WRAP) with a CF-IDE bridge, 256M CF card, two 3Com NICS, one Intel NIC, and 512M RAM. I'm looking for a way to replace /conf.default/config.xml with /conf/config.xml so my changes to the config will persist. I'm able to access the web interface, but upon reboot I get a default state. Perhaps it would be better to start from a beta 4 liveCD boot go from there? Any pointers to applicable docs or suggested install/partioning scenarios would be appreciated. -- Lars -- Best Regards. Bao C. Ha Hacom OpenBrick Distributor USA http://www.hacom.net voice: (714) 530-8817 fax: (714) 530-8818 8D66 6672 7A9B 6879 85CD 42E0 9F6C 7908 ED95 6B38 -- Best Regards. Bao C. Ha Hacom OpenBrick Distributor USA http://www.hacom.net voice: (714) 530-8817 fax: (714) 530-8818 8D66 6672 7A9B 6879 85CD 42E0 9F6C 7908 ED95 6B38
