RE: [pfSense-discussion] PANIC! problems with OPTx interfaces
That's cos your pfsense box is a computer, not a switch. The difference is that in an uplink port, the tx/rx lines are swapped over, so that two switches think they're talking to a computer at the other end. Some switches do this automagically. If you remember modems and serial, then its similar to "DCE cannot talk to another DCE the same way a DCE talks to a DTE"Shit I'm getting old. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, 4 March 2006 6:23 p.m. To: discussion@pfsense.com Subject: Re: [pfSense-discussion] PANIC! problems with OPTx interfaces All of the cables leaving the PfSense box went to switches. The one hooked up to the LAN had the cable plug into a regular port on the LAN switch, all the others were plugged into the "uplink" port on those switches. So, when I moved all of the cables from the "uplink" port on the switches, to a regular port on those switches, all of a sudden things worked just fine.
RE: [pfSense-discussion] PANIC! problems with OPTx interfaces
If you want to use the uplink ports you need crossovercables between them and the pfsense. An uplink Port basically is just a "normal" switchport with crossed RX/TX. The problem you encountered can be described as "ear to ear and mouth to mouth" problem. In order to communicate you have to get your devices talking "mouth to ear" and "ear to mouth". Most older Soho hardwarerouters have Switchports so you can plug them to an uplink port. Your pfSense is a "Clientcomputer" that now does routing/firewalling and you can't connect a clientcomputer to the uplink with a straight cable. However, depending on the device (thinking of embedded systems) you are running pfSense on you still might be able to use an uplink switchport and most newer switches do autodiscovery anyway and do the crossing if needed like Bill already said. Conclusion: always be prepared that you might need a crossovercable. Most of "link doesn't go up" issues are cable related. (I just wanted to get this explained a bit more as I have seen this problem several times, especially with the wrap where people tried to connect a client with a straight cable directly to one of the ports as they had some kind of soho router before) Holger > -Original Message- > From: Bill Marquette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 7:07 AM > To: discussion@pfsense.com > Subject: Re: [pfSense-discussion] PANIC! problems with OPTx interfaces > > > So called "uplink" ports are meant to plug a switch into another > switch, not a router. Some newer switches also do cable autosense and > will cross the RX/TX pairs if needed (your Linksys probably does > this). > > --Bill > > On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, I have seemed to have fixed it, but the solution > makes no sense to me. Perhaps it will make more sense to > those of you with more networking knowledge than I. > > > > All of the cables leaving the PfSense box went to switches. > The one hooked up to the LAN had the cable plug into a > regular port on the LAN switch, all the others were plugged > into the "uplink" port on those switches. > > > > So, when I moved all of the cables from the "uplink" port > on the switches, to a regular port on those switches, all of > a sudden things worked just fine. > > > > Why? I thought the purpose of the uplink was to connect to > a higher "switch" (in this case, the PfSense box a.k.a > router). The former router (a commercial speedstream that the > pfsense box replaces) worked just fine with all the switches > hooked up with the uplink port. Heck, even my pfsense box at > home worked just fine with my linksys switch using the uplink port. > > what is with this ambiguity?! > > > > Anyways, thanks to you all for help. I'm sorry if I may > have caused any problems. > > If anybody knows why what I did works (why the uplink port > seems to be a curse/miracle) please explain, I would love to > know. And besides, if somebody ever has the same problem, and > they search the mailing lists, they'll find the answer. > > Thanks again! > > Anthony > > > > > > -- Original message -- > > From: "Bill Marquette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > So let me get this straight. > > > > > > The cable that's plugged into the LAN nic if unplugged > from LAN and > > > plugged into each of the OPT nics works? Sounds like a switch or > > > cable issue. Have you tried the reverse? Plug the > cables that are in > > > the non-working OPT interfaces into the known working > interface (LAN)? > > > And for that matter, plugging the known working cable > and the known > > > working interface into the switch ports that you are > trying to plug > > > the OPT interfaces in? > > > > > > --Bill > > > > > > On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > nope, doesn't fix it. Just upgraded. Still as broke as > it was an hour ago. > > > > The system is a Dell Optiplex (I can't find the model > number at this time) It > > > has a Pentium 3 and a 10 GB harddrive, if that helps at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Original message -- > > > > From: "Scott Ullrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > I'm using Beta 1 right now, because I don't think > that upgrading to Beta2 > > > > > would > > > > > > fix this. > > > > > > > > > > Upgrade. There was only 91+ fixes between beta1 and beta2 and > > > > > countless FreeBSD fixes. > > > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > Virus checked by G DATA AntiVirusKit
Re: [pfSense-discussion] PANIC! problems with OPTx interfaces
So called "uplink" ports are meant to plug a switch into another switch, not a router. Some newer switches also do cable autosense and will cross the RX/TX pairs if needed (your Linksys probably does this). --Bill On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I have seemed to have fixed it, but the solution makes no sense to me. > Perhaps it will make more sense to those of you with more networking > knowledge than I. > > All of the cables leaving the PfSense box went to switches. The one hooked up > to the LAN had the cable plug into a regular port on the LAN switch, all the > others were plugged into the "uplink" port on those switches. > > So, when I moved all of the cables from the "uplink" port on the switches, to > a regular port on those switches, all of a sudden things worked just fine. > > Why? I thought the purpose of the uplink was to connect to a higher "switch" > (in this case, the PfSense box a.k.a router). The former router (a commercial > speedstream that the pfsense box replaces) worked just fine with all the > switches hooked up with the uplink port. Heck, even my pfsense box at home > worked just fine with my linksys switch using the uplink port. > what is with this ambiguity?! > > Anyways, thanks to you all for help. I'm sorry if I may have caused any > problems. > If anybody knows why what I did works (why the uplink port seems to be a > curse/miracle) please explain, I would love to know. And besides, if somebody > ever has the same problem, and they search the mailing lists, they'll find > the answer. > Thanks again! > Anthony > > > -- Original message -- > From: "Bill Marquette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > So let me get this straight. > > > > The cable that's plugged into the LAN nic if unplugged from LAN and > > plugged into each of the OPT nics works? Sounds like a switch or > > cable issue. Have you tried the reverse? Plug the cables that are in > > the non-working OPT interfaces into the known working interface (LAN)? > > And for that matter, plugging the known working cable and the known > > working interface into the switch ports that you are trying to plug > > the OPT interfaces in? > > > > --Bill > > > > On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > nope, doesn't fix it. Just upgraded. Still as broke as it was an hour ago. > > > The system is a Dell Optiplex (I can't find the model number at this > > > time) It > > has a Pentium 3 and a 10 GB harddrive, if that helps at all. > > > > > > > > > -- Original message -- > > > From: "Scott Ullrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > I'm using Beta 1 right now, because I don't think that upgrading to > > > > > Beta2 > > > > would > > > > > fix this. > > > > > > > > Upgrade. There was only 91+ fixes between beta1 and beta2 and > > > > countless FreeBSD fixes. > > > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > >
Re: [pfSense-discussion] PANIC! problems with OPTx interfaces
Well, I have seemed to have fixed it, but the solution makes no sense to me. Perhaps it will make more sense to those of you with more networking knowledge than I. All of the cables leaving the PfSense box went to switches. The one hooked up to the LAN had the cable plug into a regular port on the LAN switch, all the others were plugged into the "uplink" port on those switches. So, when I moved all of the cables from the "uplink" port on the switches, to a regular port on those switches, all of a sudden things worked just fine. Why? I thought the purpose of the uplink was to connect to a higher "switch" (in this case, the PfSense box a.k.a router). The former router (a commercial speedstream that the pfsense box replaces) worked just fine with all the switches hooked up with the uplink port. Heck, even my pfsense box at home worked just fine with my linksys switch using the uplink port. what is with this ambiguity?! Anyways, thanks to you all for help. I'm sorry if I may have caused any problems. If anybody knows why what I did works (why the uplink port seems to be a curse/miracle) please explain, I would love to know. And besides, if somebody ever has the same problem, and they search the mailing lists, they'll find the answer. Thanks again! Anthony -- Original message -- From: "Bill Marquette" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > So let me get this straight. > > The cable that's plugged into the LAN nic if unplugged from LAN and > plugged into each of the OPT nics works? Sounds like a switch or > cable issue. Have you tried the reverse? Plug the cables that are in > the non-working OPT interfaces into the known working interface (LAN)? > And for that matter, plugging the known working cable and the known > working interface into the switch ports that you are trying to plug > the OPT interfaces in? > > --Bill > > On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > nope, doesn't fix it. Just upgraded. Still as broke as it was an hour ago. > > The system is a Dell Optiplex (I can't find the model number at this time) > > It > has a Pentium 3 and a 10 GB harddrive, if that helps at all. > > > > > > -- Original message -- > > From: "Scott Ullrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [snip] > > > > I'm using Beta 1 right now, because I don't think that upgrading to > > > > Beta2 > > > would > > > > fix this. > > > > > > Upgrade. There was only 91+ fixes between beta1 and beta2 and > > > countless FreeBSD fixes. > > > > > > Scott > > > >
Re: [pfSense-discussion] PANIC! problems with OPTx interfaces
So let me get this straight. The cable that's plugged into the LAN nic if unplugged from LAN and plugged into each of the OPT nics works? Sounds like a switch or cable issue. Have you tried the reverse? Plug the cables that are in the non-working OPT interfaces into the known working interface (LAN)? And for that matter, plugging the known working cable and the known working interface into the switch ports that you are trying to plug the OPT interfaces in? --Bill On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > nope, doesn't fix it. Just upgraded. Still as broke as it was an hour ago. > The system is a Dell Optiplex (I can't find the model number at this time) It > has a Pentium 3 and a 10 GB harddrive, if that helps at all. > > > -- Original message -- > From: "Scott Ullrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [snip] > > > I'm using Beta 1 right now, because I don't think that upgrading to Beta2 > > would > > > fix this. > > > > Upgrade. There was only 91+ fixes between beta1 and beta2 and > > countless FreeBSD fixes. > > > > Scott > >
Re: [pfSense-discussion] PANIC! problems with OPTx interfaces
nope, doesn't fix it. Just upgraded. Still as broke as it was an hour ago. The system is a Dell Optiplex (I can't find the model number at this time) It has a Pentium 3 and a 10 GB harddrive, if that helps at all. -- Original message -- From: "Scott Ullrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [snip] > > I'm using Beta 1 right now, because I don't think that upgrading to Beta2 > would > > fix this. > > Upgrade. There was only 91+ fixes between beta1 and beta2 and > countless FreeBSD fixes. > > Scott
Re: [pfSense-discussion] PANIC! problems with OPTx interfaces
On 3/3/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > I'm using Beta 1 right now, because I don't think that upgrading to Beta2 > would > fix this. Upgrade. There was only 91+ fixes between beta1 and beta2 and countless FreeBSD fixes. Scott
[pfSense-discussion] PANIC! problems with OPTx interfaces
I just set up a PfSense firewall for a company, and I seem to be having problems with the OPTx interfaces. There are 4 of them, three of which are connected to cables which are connected to switches (the fourth OPT i/f is currently unused). The interfaces are all set up in the webGUI (non conflicting IP addresses and all that. Ex: lan = 10.1.1.0/24, OPTx = 10.1.x.0/24, and so on), but the NICs show no sign of connection, and this is verified by the interfaces page which says "no carrier" under the status part for all the OPTx interfaces. The lights on the cards don't even blink, even though they are all using straight-through cables connected to switches, to which the computers connect. But here's the strange part: when I unplug the cable hooked up to the LAN interface and plug it into any of the other NICs on the PfSense box, that NIC all of a sudden lights up and becomes active (from all visible means on the box, I can't really check the webGUI at that point anymore). When I unplug the LAN cable and plug back in the cable that's supposed to be connected to that interface, the lights go out again. I'm using Beta 1 right now, because I don't think that upgrading to Beta2 would fix this. Please, this is a very urgent matter and any responses that I can get ASAP are extremely appreciated. Thank you very much in advance. Anthony
