Re: Matthias Kirschner, FSFE and Fraud in free software
Hi, all, and especially the moderators of this list! Am 24.05.19 um 10:25 schrieb jah: > Boring! less of this please. While for some of us (including me), it is interesting to see the reactions to Daniel's emails, I think the number of complaints has exceeded what is constructive to put on a public discussion list with hundreds of subscribers. I believe that meanwhile, virtually everbyody here is more or less fed up with his conspiracy tales as much as everybody else. So for the sake of improving the signal to noise ratio on this list, with full respect for free speech and with deep understanding for everybody who feels the urge to complain to Daniel, I would ask a) everybody here to direct their complaints to Daniel directly (who will ignore them, unfortunately) instead of to the mailing list, and b) the moderators of this list (who are doing a great job!) to, if in doubt, verify whether the author of such an email indeed intended to address the whole mailing list before approving the post. Thanks, Reinhard P.S. Yes, I am aware that Daniel Pocock potentially tricked some recipients of his latest email into replying to this mailing list by setting a Reply-To: header, and that he did this on purpose. P.P.S. jah, I hope you understand that this is not against you. I completely understand and fully support your statement. I chose your email to reply to because your one-liner is a perfect TL;DR for my own message :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Matthias Kirschner, FSFE and Fraud in free software
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On Friday, 2019-05-24 10:13:57 +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> In Nazi Germany
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Re: Matthias Kirschner, FSFE and Fraud in free software
Never mind, now it looks like this email jumped my FSFE folder somehow and landed in my inbox. Hopefully I am already removed from the new list. Sorry for the confusion. On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 10:50 AM William Carlson wrote: > Hi Daniel > > How can I unsubscribe from the "lists.fsfellowship.eu" mailing list? I > didn't sign up the first time (a few weeks ago) so I unsubscribed. Now it > seems I have been subscribed again? > > Thanks for letting me know. > Best > William > > > On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 10:14 AM Daniel Pocock wrote: > >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> Matthias Kirschner sent an email recently using the word Fraud. >> >> If any of you downloaded the mailing list data that FSFE made available, >> what you have done is much like browsing a list of your friend's friends >> on social media. Millions of people do that every day. >> >> Europe's stringent new privacy regulation, the GDPR, is for enterprises. >> FSFE e.V. is regulated under GDPR. You and I, as volunteers, are >> private individuals and we are not subject to that regulation. >> >> We can talk to each other. >> >> In a free country, citizens communicating with each other are not >> committing any crime. >> >> Please don't be afraid of Kirschner when he behaves like a toddler, >> stamping his foot and throwing tantrums. >> >> In Nazi Germany and the GDR, fear reigned and people were discouraged >> from talking to each other. Kirschner's email is a blatant attempt to >> maintain a similar culture of fear. >> >> Kirschner appointed his staff and friends to be the only official >> members of FSFE e.V. so he never has to face a real vote. Is a leader >> who is appointing his employees to vote for him a real leader, or simply >> a coward? >> >> In the middle ages, feudal lords, like Kirschner, didn't put themself up >> for election either. They wanted to be president for life, like the >> despotic dictators of impoverished countries. Every now and then, the >> feudal lord would burn a witch or lock somebody in the stocks to keep >> the community afraid. Can you see echoes of this in the way Kirschner >> has treated a volunteer, your fellowship representative, for talking >> about censorship? >> >> Kirschner has spent more than a year spreading defamation behind my >> back. That is how he sought to undermine your decision to vote for me. >> Now we have seen it in his public email. Some people asked me why I >> kept this going: I didn't, I resigned in September 2018. Kirschner has >> kept it going in numerous ways. >> >> For many years, the FSFE web site invited you to Join. But you were >> never recorded as members. You never received invitations to the annual >> meeting. Was the "Join" button a Fraud organized by Kirschner? >> >> FSFE told you that you could vote for a representative. The President, >> Matthias Kirschner, insisted on exercising control over communications >> from the representative to the community, even secretly applying a >> communications policy[1] to the representative. Is that real >> representation? Or was that potentially an example of Kirschner's FSFE >> making a Fraud? >> >> FSFE e.V. has been registered as a charitable organization for tax >> purposes. However, FSFE's focus has changed dramatically from pursuing >> what is best for society to getting what is best for the corporate >> donors like Google. It is perfectly OK for businesses to set up lobby >> groups: but it isn't OK for them to masquerade as charities and profit >> from taxpayers and the work of unpaid volunteers. Herr Kirschner, >> could the charitable registration be a Fraud? >> >> Kirschner claims that FSFE is transparent and makes reference to >> Transparency International. Yet the published[2] accounts are the most >> opaque set of accounts I've ever seen. Even Swiss banks reveal more. >> Could the Transparency claim be a Fraud? >> >> Matthias Kirschner wrote a long email last week making many references >> to legal counsel and law enforcement. There has been no communication >> whatsoever from both legal counsel and law enforcement. Not one >> lawyer's letter, not one inquiry from police. No SWAT teams and no >> Panzer tanks crawling up the street. >> >> Authorized downloads of the mailing list are simply not a crime. >> >> Kirschner's email looks like the behaviour of somebody who is not a >> police officer putting on a police uniform and pretending to be a >> policeman. Matthias Kirschner, is your email itself the biggest Fraud? >> >> Regards, >> >> Daniel >> >> >> 1. https://fsfellowship.eu/assets/fsfe-communications-policy.pdf >> 2. https://fsfe.org/about/funds/2017.en.html >> >> -- >> Former FSFE Fellowship Representative >> >> Debian Developer >> >> https://danielpocock.com >> > ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked
Re: Matthias Kirschner, FSFE and Fraud in free software
Hi Daniel How can I unsubscribe from the "lists.fsfellowship.eu" mailing list? I didn't sign up the first time (a few weeks ago) so I unsubscribed. Now it seems I have been subscribed again? Thanks for letting me know. Best William On Fri, May 24, 2019 at 10:14 AM Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Matthias Kirschner sent an email recently using the word Fraud. > > If any of you downloaded the mailing list data that FSFE made available, > what you have done is much like browsing a list of your friend's friends > on social media. Millions of people do that every day. > > Europe's stringent new privacy regulation, the GDPR, is for enterprises. > FSFE e.V. is regulated under GDPR. You and I, as volunteers, are > private individuals and we are not subject to that regulation. > > We can talk to each other. > > In a free country, citizens communicating with each other are not > committing any crime. > > Please don't be afraid of Kirschner when he behaves like a toddler, > stamping his foot and throwing tantrums. > > In Nazi Germany and the GDR, fear reigned and people were discouraged > from talking to each other. Kirschner's email is a blatant attempt to > maintain a similar culture of fear. > > Kirschner appointed his staff and friends to be the only official > members of FSFE e.V. so he never has to face a real vote. Is a leader > who is appointing his employees to vote for him a real leader, or simply > a coward? > > In the middle ages, feudal lords, like Kirschner, didn't put themself up > for election either. They wanted to be president for life, like the > despotic dictators of impoverished countries. Every now and then, the > feudal lord would burn a witch or lock somebody in the stocks to keep > the community afraid. Can you see echoes of this in the way Kirschner > has treated a volunteer, your fellowship representative, for talking > about censorship? > > Kirschner has spent more than a year spreading defamation behind my > back. That is how he sought to undermine your decision to vote for me. > Now we have seen it in his public email. Some people asked me why I > kept this going: I didn't, I resigned in September 2018. Kirschner has > kept it going in numerous ways. > > For many years, the FSFE web site invited you to Join. But you were > never recorded as members. You never received invitations to the annual > meeting. Was the "Join" button a Fraud organized by Kirschner? > > FSFE told you that you could vote for a representative. The President, > Matthias Kirschner, insisted on exercising control over communications > from the representative to the community, even secretly applying a > communications policy[1] to the representative. Is that real > representation? Or was that potentially an example of Kirschner's FSFE > making a Fraud? > > FSFE e.V. has been registered as a charitable organization for tax > purposes. However, FSFE's focus has changed dramatically from pursuing > what is best for society to getting what is best for the corporate > donors like Google. It is perfectly OK for businesses to set up lobby > groups: but it isn't OK for them to masquerade as charities and profit > from taxpayers and the work of unpaid volunteers. Herr Kirschner, > could the charitable registration be a Fraud? > > Kirschner claims that FSFE is transparent and makes reference to > Transparency International. Yet the published[2] accounts are the most > opaque set of accounts I've ever seen. Even Swiss banks reveal more. > Could the Transparency claim be a Fraud? > > Matthias Kirschner wrote a long email last week making many references > to legal counsel and law enforcement. There has been no communication > whatsoever from both legal counsel and law enforcement. Not one > lawyer's letter, not one inquiry from police. No SWAT teams and no > Panzer tanks crawling up the street. > > Authorized downloads of the mailing list are simply not a crime. > > Kirschner's email looks like the behaviour of somebody who is not a > police officer putting on a police uniform and pretending to be a > policeman. Matthias Kirschner, is your email itself the biggest Fraud? > > Regards, > > Daniel > > > 1. https://fsfellowship.eu/assets/fsfe-communications-policy.pdf > 2. https://fsfe.org/about/funds/2017.en.html > > -- > Former FSFE Fellowship Representative > > Debian Developer > > https://danielpocock.com > ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Matthias Kirschner, FSFE and Fraud in free software
On 24/05/19 09:13, Daniel Pocock wrote another email in which they fail to apologise for their (potentially criminal) misuse of a list of (at the time) publicly available email addresses: > > > Boring! less of this please. ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Matthias Kirschner, FSFE and Fraud in free software
Daniel, please stop sending me any emails. Either through mailing lists I don't subscribe to or directly. -- Ion Savin On May 24, 2019 11:13:57 AM GMT+03:00, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > >Hi all, > >Matthias Kirschner sent an email recently using the word Fraud. > >If any of you downloaded the mailing list data that FSFE made >available, >what you have done is much like browsing a list of your friend's >friends >on social media. Millions of people do that every day. > >Europe's stringent new privacy regulation, the GDPR, is for >enterprises. > FSFE e.V. is regulated under GDPR. You and I, as volunteers, are >private individuals and we are not subject to that regulation. > >We can talk to each other. > >In a free country, citizens communicating with each other are not >committing any crime. > >Please don't be afraid of Kirschner when he behaves like a toddler, >stamping his foot and throwing tantrums. > >In Nazi Germany and the GDR, fear reigned and people were discouraged >from talking to each other. Kirschner's email is a blatant attempt to >maintain a similar culture of fear. > >Kirschner appointed his staff and friends to be the only official >members of FSFE e.V. so he never has to face a real vote. Is a leader >who is appointing his employees to vote for him a real leader, or >simply >a coward? > >In the middle ages, feudal lords, like Kirschner, didn't put themself >up >for election either. They wanted to be president for life, like the >despotic dictators of impoverished countries. Every now and then, the >feudal lord would burn a witch or lock somebody in the stocks to keep >the community afraid. Can you see echoes of this in the way Kirschner >has treated a volunteer, your fellowship representative, for talking >about censorship? > >Kirschner has spent more than a year spreading defamation behind my >back. That is how he sought to undermine your decision to vote for me. >Now we have seen it in his public email. Some people asked me why I >kept this going: I didn't, I resigned in September 2018. Kirschner has >kept it going in numerous ways. > >For many years, the FSFE web site invited you to Join. But you were >never recorded as members. You never received invitations to the >annual >meeting. Was the "Join" button a Fraud organized by Kirschner? > >FSFE told you that you could vote for a representative. The President, >Matthias Kirschner, insisted on exercising control over communications >from the representative to the community, even secretly applying a >communications policy[1] to the representative. Is that real >representation? Or was that potentially an example of Kirschner's FSFE >making a Fraud? > >FSFE e.V. has been registered as a charitable organization for tax >purposes. However, FSFE's focus has changed dramatically from pursuing >what is best for society to getting what is best for the corporate >donors like Google. It is perfectly OK for businesses to set up lobby >groups: but it isn't OK for them to masquerade as charities and profit >from taxpayers and the work of unpaid volunteers. Herr Kirschner, >could the charitable registration be a Fraud? > >Kirschner claims that FSFE is transparent and makes reference to >Transparency International. Yet the published[2] accounts are the most >opaque set of accounts I've ever seen. Even Swiss banks reveal more. >Could the Transparency claim be a Fraud? > >Matthias Kirschner wrote a long email last week making many references >to legal counsel and law enforcement. There has been no communication >whatsoever from both legal counsel and law enforcement. Not one >lawyer's letter, not one inquiry from police. No SWAT teams and no >Panzer tanks crawling up the street. > >Authorized downloads of the mailing list are simply not a crime. > >Kirschner's email looks like the behaviour of somebody who is not a >police officer putting on a police uniform and pretending to be a >policeman. Matthias Kirschner, is your email itself the biggest Fraud? > >Regards, > >Daniel > > >1. https://fsfellowship.eu/assets/fsfe-communications-policy.pdf >2. https://fsfe.org/about/funds/2017.en.html > >-- >Former FSFE Fellowship Representative > >Debian Developer > >https://danielpocock.com -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: Matthias Kirschner, FSFE and Fraud in free software
Can somebody please do something about this guy harrassing me/us with mails containing stupid ad homindem arguments and (frankly) conspiracy theorys? I filtered all FSFE-Lists in seperate folders. Why is this guy still making it to my inbox? It is really annoying. Greetings, Leena Am 24. Mai 2019 10:13:57 MESZ schrieb Daniel Pocock : > > >Hi all, > >Matthias Kirschner sent an email recently using the word Fraud. > >If any of you downloaded the mailing list data that FSFE made >available, >what you have done is much like browsing a list of your friend's >friends >on social media. Millions of people do that every day. > >Europe's stringent new privacy regulation, the GDPR, is for >enterprises. > FSFE e.V. is regulated under GDPR. You and I, as volunteers, are >private individuals and we are not subject to that regulation. > >We can talk to each other. > >In a free country, citizens communicating with each other are not >committing any crime. > >Please don't be afraid of Kirschner when he behaves like a toddler, >stamping his foot and throwing tantrums. > >In Nazi Germany and the GDR, fear reigned and people were discouraged >from talking to each other. Kirschner's email is a blatant attempt to >maintain a similar culture of fear. > >Kirschner appointed his staff and friends to be the only official >members of FSFE e.V. so he never has to face a real vote. Is a leader >who is appointing his employees to vote for him a real leader, or >simply >a coward? > >In the middle ages, feudal lords, like Kirschner, didn't put themself >up >for election either. They wanted to be president for life, like the >despotic dictators of impoverished countries. Every now and then, the >feudal lord would burn a witch or lock somebody in the stocks to keep >the community afraid. Can you see echoes of this in the way Kirschner >has treated a volunteer, your fellowship representative, for talking >about censorship? > >Kirschner has spent more than a year spreading defamation behind my >back. That is how he sought to undermine your decision to vote for me. >Now we have seen it in his public email. Some people asked me why I >kept this going: I didn't, I resigned in September 2018. Kirschner has >kept it going in numerous ways. > >For many years, the FSFE web site invited you to Join. But you were >never recorded as members. You never received invitations to the >annual >meeting. Was the "Join" button a Fraud organized by Kirschner? > >FSFE told you that you could vote for a representative. The President, >Matthias Kirschner, insisted on exercising control over communications >from the representative to the community, even secretly applying a >communications policy[1] to the representative. Is that real >representation? Or was that potentially an example of Kirschner's FSFE >making a Fraud? > >FSFE e.V. has been registered as a charitable organization for tax >purposes. However, FSFE's focus has changed dramatically from pursuing >what is best for society to getting what is best for the corporate >donors like Google. It is perfectly OK for businesses to set up lobby >groups: but it isn't OK for them to masquerade as charities and profit >from taxpayers and the work of unpaid volunteers. Herr Kirschner, >could the charitable registration be a Fraud? > >Kirschner claims that FSFE is transparent and makes reference to >Transparency International. Yet the published[2] accounts are the most >opaque set of accounts I've ever seen. Even Swiss banks reveal more. >Could the Transparency claim be a Fraud? > >Matthias Kirschner wrote a long email last week making many references >to legal counsel and law enforcement. There has been no communication >whatsoever from both legal counsel and law enforcement. Not one >lawyer's letter, not one inquiry from police. No SWAT teams and no >Panzer tanks crawling up the street. > >Authorized downloads of the mailing list are simply not a crime. > >Kirschner's email looks like the behaviour of somebody who is not a >police officer putting on a police uniform and pretending to be a >policeman. Matthias Kirschner, is your email itself the biggest Fraud? > >Regards, > >Daniel > > >1. https://fsfellowship.eu/assets/fsfe-communications-policy.pdf >2. https://fsfe.org/about/funds/2017.en.html > >-- >Former FSFE Fellowship Representative > >Debian Developer > >https://danielpocock.com ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
