Re: On Censorship
Hi Karun, Am 6. Mai 2019 19:11:58 MESZ schrieb Karun : >After reading the posts here I’m seriously thinking to stop supporting >the FSFE as a „supporter“ and also because of the fellowship >discontinuation. In the Future it seems better to support the Free >software Foundation in the us which’s more mature. Sounds like a kneejerk reaction to me. There is no censorship in the FSFE. The maillinglist is just moderated not censored. I disagree in some points with the FSFE, because I think we need more transparency etc. But there are many things I agree with e.g. "Public Money public code" etc. I think we need a strong FSFE in Europe to support our community. So I don't think I have to stop my support because some privileged guys have their egotrips and have to share their Weltschmerz with our community to feel better. And no, FSF isn't more mature. At least not as long Stallman is in charge. Regards, Christian ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: On Censorship
After reading the posts here I’m seriously thinking to stop supporting the FSFE as a „supporter“ and also because of the fellowship discontinuation. In the Future it seems better to support the Free software Foundation in the us which’s more mature. -- Karun On Mon, 6 May 2019, at 5:51 PM, Erik Albers wrote: > Hi Joe, > > > On 06.05.19 16:58, Joe Awni wrote: > > Personally, I have experienced instances of de facto censorship in the form > > of not being allowed to participate in an election, > > You have not being allowed to participate because the deadline for candidates > have been on February 1st and you applied on April 15, means you have been > 2,5 months beyond the deadline. This is in no way censorship. > > here available for everyone to see: > https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2016-April/010954.html > > > > having messages delayed > > until untimely, unauthorized edits, and removal of messages. *I think it is > > absolutely important we avoid censorship in any communication in any form. * > > this talking about censorship meanwhile is getting really boring. I know of > multiple people and messages that have NOT been delivered on your "alternative > mailing-list" fsfellowship.eu by Reinhard Müller, Florian Snow, Christian > Kalkhoff, Diogo Constantino and myself minimum. > > so better start to lead by example before blaming everyone else or I will stop > listening. > > And now let's see if this mail is going to be delivered on fsfellowhip.eu : ) > > Best, > Erik > > -- > No one shall ever be forced to use non-free software > Erik Albers | Programme Manager, Communication | FSFE > OpenPGP Key-ID: 0x8639DC81 on keys.gnupg.net > ___ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion@lists.fsfe.org > https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion > > This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All > participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: > https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: On Censorship
Hi Joe, On 06.05.19 16:58, Joe Awni wrote: > Personally, I have experienced instances of de facto censorship in the form > of not being allowed to participate in an election, You have not being allowed to participate because the deadline for candidates have been on February 1st and you applied on April 15, means you have been 2,5 months beyond the deadline. This is in no way censorship. here available for everyone to see: https://lists.fsfe.org/pipermail/discussion/2016-April/010954.html > having messages delayed > until untimely, unauthorized edits, and removal of messages. *I think it is > absolutely important we avoid censorship in any communication in any form. * this talking about censorship meanwhile is getting really boring. I know of multiple people and messages that have NOT been delivered on your "alternative mailing-list" fsfellowship.eu by Reinhard Müller, Florian Snow, Christian Kalkhoff, Diogo Constantino and myself minimum. so better start to lead by example before blaming everyone else or I will stop listening. And now let's see if this mail is going to be delivered on fsfellowhip.eu : ) Best, Erik -- No one shall ever be forced to use non-free software Erik Albers | Programme Manager, Communication | FSFE OpenPGP Key-ID: 0x8639DC81 on keys.gnupg.net ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: selective censorship (aka some words from your list-admins)
Dear Daniel, On 05.09.2018 20:25, Daniel Pocock wrote: > One of those posts is so offensive and inaccurate that I would kindly > request that if you are willing to censor new subscribers, Moderation is unlike censorship. Every message that is written in an appropriate tone will be delivered to the list, no matter the opinion. > you also > censor that GA member by removing his post from the public archive. removing posts from the archive is not possible (for me). > I would also request that you escalate that particular post to the CARE > team. When anyone feels attacked on a FSFE list in a way that is against our Code of Conduct, please contact the CARE team about it directly yourself. You do not need me or anyone else for this process in between. You can find contact information of the team and its individuals here: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct#CARE Best regards, Erik -- No one shall ever be forced to use non-free software Erik Albers | Communication & Community Coordinator | FSFE OpenPGP Key-ID: 0x8639DC81 on keys.gnupg.net ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: selective censorship (aka some words from your list-admins)
And for once l quote you totally. It is ridiculous and shameful behaviour of this individual. Outrageous. They all should resign unanimously because l see no one stopping this madness from inside. On Wed, 5 Sep 2018, 19:25 Daniel Pocock, wrote: > > > On 05/09/18 16:49, Erik Albers wrote: > > > The list administration would like to help bring back a good tone and > > discussion culture by moderating the discussion if necessary and for now > we > > set new subscriptions to the list on moderation. > > > > The most offensive accusations made on the list today were not from new > subscribers, they appear to be made by a GA member from Germany, in fact > former country coordinator for Germany. Out of your respect for your > request for being friendly, I'll avoid repeating his name again. > > One of those posts is so offensive and inaccurate that I would kindly > request that if you are willing to censor new subscribers, you also > censor that GA member by removing his post from the public archive. > > I would also request that you escalate that particular post to the CARE > team. > > The root cause of all this appears to be the executive's decision to > attack the fellowship representative with an ultimately unsuccessful > motion to prematurely terminate his membership of FSFE e.V. I remain of > the opinion that the resignation of the president may be more effective > in helping the community move on from that than tweaking moderation > settings. > > Regards, > > Daniel > > FSFE Fellowship Representative > ___ > Discussion mailing list > Discussion@lists.fsfe.org > https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion > > This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All > participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: > https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct > ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
Re: selective censorship (aka some words from your list-admins)
On 05/09/18 16:49, Erik Albers wrote: > The list administration would like to help bring back a good tone and > discussion culture by moderating the discussion if necessary and for now we > set new subscriptions to the list on moderation. > The most offensive accusations made on the list today were not from new subscribers, they appear to be made by a GA member from Germany, in fact former country coordinator for Germany. Out of your respect for your request for being friendly, I'll avoid repeating his name again. One of those posts is so offensive and inaccurate that I would kindly request that if you are willing to censor new subscribers, you also censor that GA member by removing his post from the public archive. I would also request that you escalate that particular post to the CARE team. The root cause of all this appears to be the executive's decision to attack the fellowship representative with an ultimately unsuccessful motion to prematurely terminate his membership of FSFE e.V. I remain of the opinion that the resignation of the president may be more effective in helping the community move on from that than tweaking moderation settings. Regards, Daniel FSFE Fellowship Representative ___ Discussion mailing list Discussion@lists.fsfe.org https://lists.fsfe.org/mailman/listinfo/discussion This mailing list is covered by the FSFE's Code of Conduct. All participants are kindly asked to be excellent to each other: https://fsfe.org/about/codeofconduct
