On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 02:56, David Lyon david.l...@preisshare.net wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 01:01:11 +0100, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com
wrote:
OK, so in the Perl community there is apparently a lot of confusion on
what CPAN is.
CPAN is plain and simple. There is no confusion,
2009/12/23 David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com:
which is why I am trying to get some agreement on at least some low
level mechanisms which can be shared between tools. The exact thing
you already complain last time this was discussed.
And then I also asked a question, which I have asked many
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 5:12 AM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
When you say which could be solved relatively easily I suggest that
you take the time to add concise and precise proposals in
bugs.python.org
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de wrote:
FYI. This Distutils-SIG thread is about proposing PEP 345 and impacts PyPI.
So if there's anything that look suspicious to anyone, please join the
discussion at Distutils-SIG
In a number of places (Requires-Dist,
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 5:12 AM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
When you say which could be solved relatively easily I suggest that
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:14 PM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 5:12 AM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com
Right, this is not good because the comma means and then or
I see two ways to fix this:
- introduce groups, and say the the comma is or inside a group:
0.9, (1.0, !=1.3.4, 2.0), 3.4 == 0.9 or (1.0 and !=1.3.4 and
2.0) or 3.4
This I don't like. It may be the disjunctive normal
2009/12/23 Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de:
[..]
There is a third solution: don't support or. The only example in
the PEP that assumes or (i.e. 2.5, 2.6) could be rewritten as
=2.5,2.7.
Sure, that's even simpler,
BTW: how is == specified? Is 2.5.4 == 2.5?
If not, would
2.5, 2.6 really
BTW: how is == specified? Is 2.5.4 == 2.5?
If not, would
2.5, 2.6 really mean either Python 2.5 or Python 2.6, but neither
2.5.1 nor 2.6.1?
Yes, 2.5 concerns all 2.5.x versions, but a micro version could be given as
well
I am changing this
Are you sure this is a good idea? Does that
2009/12/23 Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de:
BTW: how is == specified? Is 2.5.4 == 2.5?
If not, would
2.5, 2.6 really mean either Python 2.5 or Python 2.6, but neither
2.5.1 nor 2.6.1?
Yes, 2.5 concerns all 2.5.x versions, but a micro version could be given as
well
I am changing this
2009/12/23 Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com:
[..]
.. makes sure Python 2.5 users have that security patch
s/Python 2.5 users/Python 2.6 users
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On 12/22/2009 10:15 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
Another point that I really like about the service is that the distribution
pages provide links to many other related services that are run by other
volunteers. Take for
examplehttp://search.cpan.org/dist/PAR-Repository-Client/
There is a
I am using the buildout page on pypi as a reference
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.buildout
What is the python shell used for the examples? I can follow what is
going on, but I'm not familiar with some of the functions used. For
example:
write(sample_buildout, 'recipes', 'mkdir.py', ...)
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Jeff Kunce jjku...@gmail.com wrote:
I am using the buildout page on pypi as a reference
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.buildout
What is the python shell used for the examples? I can follow what is
going on, but I'm not familiar with some of the functions
Tarek Ziadé wrote:
2009/12/23 Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de:
BTW: how is == specified? Is 2.5.4 == 2.5?
If not, would
2.5, 2.6 really mean either Python 2.5 or Python 2.6, but neither
2.5.1 nor 2.6.1?
Yes, 2.5 concerns all 2.5.x versions, but a micro version could be given as
well
I
One solution I can think of is this: make PyPI only do the job of PAUSE
as it does for CPAN; and implement a CPAN like simple directory
structure to store packages; make PyPI use that as the package data
store
I don't know what PAUSE is, but I think there is what you want at
On 12/23/09 8:38 PM, Jeff Kunce wrote:
I am using the buildout page on pypi as a reference
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.buildout
What is the python shell used for the examples? I can follow what is
going on, but I'm not familiar with some of the functions used. For
example:
2009/12/23 Martin v. Löwis mar...@v.loewis.de:
Why is that a use case for 2.5 concerns all 2.5.x versions?
In this example, the version string 2.5 isn't used at all.
You asked Are you sure this is a good idea? when I said micro
version could be given as well, so I gave you an example where a
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:05 PM, Reinout van Rees rein...@vanrees.org wrote:
On 12/23/09 8:38 PM, Jeff Kunce wrote:
I am using the buildout page on pypi as a reference
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.buildout
What is the python shell used for the examples? I can follow what is
going on,
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Reinout van Rees rein...@vanrees.org wrote:
On 12/23/09 8:38 PM, Jeff Kunce wrote:
I am using the buildout page on pypi as a reference
http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.buildout
What is the python shell used for the examples? I can follow what is
going on,
On 12/23/2009 12:18 PM, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
One solution I can think of is this: make PyPI only do the job of PAUSE
as it does for CPAN; and implement a CPAN like simple directory
structure to store packages; make PyPI use that as the package data
store
I don't know what PAUSE is, but
On 12/23/2009 1:19 PM, Sridhar Ratnakumar wrote:
What /packages/source/ lacks is:
1/ Missing packages (eg: Twisted is not there); which is why
easy_install/pip had to resolve to scrapping project webpages for
guessing download links. In CPAN, almost all module authors upload their
sources via
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 20:24, Sridhar Ratnakumar
sridh...@activestate.com wrote:
The reason why PyPI does not have such third-party services - I think - is
that it lacks the CPAN like simple directory structure that can be easily
mirrored using ftp/rsync, to wit:
Nah, you can do that via
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:14 PM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 5:12 AM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:12 PM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote:
[..]
We are discussing these options as a matter of fact, in PEP 376.
I don't see data files mentioned in PEP 376, nor how the PEP is
related to this discussion.
The PEP contains what has been already discussed. As
On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
1/ Missing packages (eg: Twisted is not there)
The Twisted guys do not upload their packages to PyPI. I think that's
a mistake, but it's hardly PyPI's fault. There is no law saying you
have to use CPAN either.
For what it's worth, we
Lennart Regebro a écrit :
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 20:24, Sridhar Ratnakumar
sridh...@activestate.com wrote:
The Twisted guys do not upload their packages to PyPI. I think that's
The tiny 10MB upload is a blocker i think also.
For example, for 'minitage.paste.extras', it's not hosted on
On 12/23/2009 1:33 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 20:24, Sridhar Ratnakumar
sridh...@activestate.com wrote:
The reason why PyPI does not have such third-party services - I think - is
that it lacks the CPAN like simple directory structure that can be easily
mirrored using
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Glyph Lefkowitz
gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
1/ Missing packages (eg: Twisted is not there)
The Twisted guys do not upload their packages to PyPI. I think that's
a mistake, but it's hardly PyPI's fault.
On 12/23/2009 2:32 PM, Tarek Ziadé wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Glyph Lefkowitz
gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
1/ Missing packages (eg: Twisted is not there)
The Twisted guys do not upload their packages to PyPI. I think
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:51 PM, Sridhar Ratnakumar
sridh...@activestate.com wrote:
[..]
Note that it wouldn't take long to override the upload command so it works
independantly from any other *dist command.
I could even add a --dist-file option to it so you can point an
existing archive to
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:08:24 +0100, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com
wrote:
There is no .tar.gz, .zip, .bz2, .exe, .msi or .egg concept of
packages in perl. And having to pick one.. that may or may not
be right for your configuration.
So your usecase, that a Windows user refuses to install
Hi Srid,
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:28:10 -0800, Sridhar Ratnakumar
sridh...@activestate.com wrote:
.. what I was referring to is enabling the mindset: a simple
*self-contained* (i.e., without having to use an API to get metadata)
directory structure that can simply be mirrored by using
On 23 Dec, 10:32 pm, ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Glyph Lefkowitz
gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
1/ Missing packages (eg: Twisted is not there)
The Twisted guys do not upload their packages to PyPI. I think
Thanks for all the responses. I could understand the examples - and
wanted to get at the tools that were used. Your pointers are helpful.
I was trying to understand some finer points of buildout, without
necessarily learning all its internal workings. The tests, of course,
would be a good
On 23 Dec, 10:51 pm, sridh...@activestate.com wrote:
On 12/23/2009 2:32 PM, Tarek Ziad� wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Glyph Lefkowitz
gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
On Dec 23, 2009, at 4:33 PM, Lennart Regebro wrote:
1/ Missing packages (eg: Twisted is not there)
The
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 7:18 AM, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 11:12 PM, David Cournapeau courn...@gmail.com wrote:
[..]
We are discussing these options as a matter of fact, in PEP 376.
I don't see data files mentioned in PEP 376, nor how the PEP is
related
On Dec 23, 2009, at 9:59 PM, exar...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
What's with the interest in having packages hosted on PyPI?
I'm not specifically opposed to this, but I don't see any reason it would
benefit anyone either. It'd be awesome if someone could explain this.
Perhaps if the answer
exar...@twistedmatrix.com writes:
What's with the interest in having packages hosted on PyPI?
Economies of scale.
There are already numerous tools that work (to greater or lesser degree)
with PyPI, and the developers of PyPI have the burden of compatibility
with published interfaces.
That
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 23:20, Glyph Lefkowitz gl...@twistedmatrix.com wrote:
If someone would like to give us a good reason to upload
Not having multiple points of failure. When you need to set up an
environment for testing or production with all the parts you need, the
more servers you need to
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 23:28, Sridhar Ratnakumar
sridh...@activestate.com wrote:
I suggested PyPI to disallow mere project listings (without sources) and
require sources to be stored in the server. One way to achieve this is
requiring package authors to use the `sdist upload` toolchain
Which
On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 06:06, sstein...@gmail.com sstein...@gmail.com wrote:
Right now, installing e.g. Twisted, requires finding the website, figuring
out which exact file to download, then figuring out exactly how to get it
installed.
Nope.
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On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 00:10, David Lyon david.l...@preisshare.net wrote:
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 10:08:24 +0100, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com
wrote:
There is no .tar.gz, .zip, .bz2, .exe, .msi or .egg concept of
packages in perl. And having to pick one.. that may or may not
be right for
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 23:32, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
I could even add a --dist-file option to it so you can point an
existing archive to push at PyPI,
so running sdist or another *dist command wouldn't be mandatory anymore
I think that would be an excellent idea.
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