On 28 March 2013 02:05, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
I don't think you can, nor should you be able to, explicitly depend on
something that is a VCS checkout.
I find it more useful to think of the issue as
On 28 March 2013 11:40, Philippe Ombredanne pombreda...@nexb.com wrote:
This is not a zip, not an egg, not a wheel but some egg-in-py,
zip-in-py or wheel-in-py and is similar to a shar shell archive.
My point was that on the one hand, I like the fact that everything is
self contained in one
If it was distributed as such virtualenv could read blobs out of its
own zip file, use the get_data() API to read non-module, or add
subdirectories inside its zip file to sys.path
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28 March 2013 11:40, Philippe Ombredanne
On 28 March 2013 12:26, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
The launcher will be updated to understand this format and Python will
register this filename association when it is installed.
The launcher should need no changes. The Python msi installer would
need a change to register the new
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28 March 2013 12:26, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
The launcher will be updated to understand this format and Python will
register this filename association when it is installed.
The launcher should need no
On 28 March 2013 12:45, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28 March 2013 12:26, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote:
The launcher will be updated to understand this format and Python will
register this filename
From: Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com
Yes, my point was that Vinay's usage could be covered by distributing
distil as a zip file. All it is doing is decoding it's blob of data
(which is an encoded zip file) and then adding the resulting zip to
sys.path.
[snip]
I hope that embedded binary
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 9:11 AM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
From: Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com
Yes, my point was that Vinay's usage could be covered by distributing
distil as a zip file. All it is doing is decoding it's blob of data
(which is an encoded zip file) and then
On 28 March 2013 13:11, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I don't know if it's that important to distinguish between the two. I found
the approach I'm using with distil to be a tad more flexible in my case. A
runnable zip has the advantage that it's harder to tinker with, but with
From: Philippe Ombredanne pombreda...@nexb.com
On the other hand, I find it somewhat discomforting as an emerging
best way to package and distribute self-contained bootstrap scripts.
But what is the root cause of that discomfort? The distil approach is slightly
more discoverable than a
From: Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com
Also if you are looking for tweakability you can run a directory with
the same contents of the .zip exactly the same as if it was a zip.
Sure, but my smoke testing involved copying the tweaked distil.py to a network
share, then running that file from other
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
From: Philippe Ombredanne pombreda...@nexb.com
On the other hand, I find it somewhat discomforting as an emerging
best way to package and distribute self-contained bootstrap scripts.
Virtualenv does it, distil is
Not really trying to tell Vinay to rewrite his script, but IMHO if you
expect it unzip is a lot easier than
file.write(module.random_attribute.decode('base64')). The runnable zip
feature is awesome, not well enough known, and totally worth promoting
over the shar pattern; with some minimal tooling
Philippe Ombredanne pombredanne at nexb.com writes:
Conceptually I find these no different from setup.py scripts, and
these have been mostly normalized (or at the minimum have a
conventional name and a conventional if not specified interface.)
Except that you programmatically interface (to
Jim Fulton jim at zope.com writes:
It would be far better IMO to just unzip the wheel and put that in
your path. (I'm hoping that wheels used this way are a suitable
replacement for eggs.)
Well that's tantamount to installing the wheel,
Not really. If you just unzip the wheel and
On 28 March 2013 16:02, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Return this directory. Note that the caller is responsible for
deleting this directory and its contents, which might not be
possible - e.g. in Windows, if a shared library has been
imported and is linked
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:02 PM, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Jim Fulton jim at zope.com writes:
It would be far better IMO to just unzip the wheel and put that in
your path. (I'm hoping that wheels used this way are a suitable
replacement for eggs.)
Well that's
Am 28.03.2013 17:42, schrieb Paul Moore:
On 28 March 2013 16:02, Vinay Sajip vinay_sa...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Return this directory. Note that the caller is responsible for
deleting this directory and its contents, which might not be
possible - e.g. in Windows, if a shared
Jim Fulton jim at zope.com writes:
So the win for buildout and it's users is to be able to have extracted
(but not installed wheels) around to be mixed and matched either for
script generation or run-time use.
If I wasn't using buildout, I kinda doubt I'd want to use something
like this
Daniel Holth dholth at gmail.com writes:
file.write(module.random_attribute.decode('base64')). The runnable zip
feature is awesome, not well enough known, and totally worth promoting
over the shar pattern; with some minimal tooling you'd be good to go.
Runnable zips sound great - I
Is there much point in keeping catalog-sig and distutils-sig separate?
It seems to me that most of the same people are on both lists, and the topics
almost always have consequences to both sides of the coin. So much so that it's
often hard to pick *which* of the two (or both) lists you post
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
Is there much point in keeping catalog-sig and distutils-sig separate?
Not IMO.
It seems to me that most of the same people are on both lists, and the topics
almost always have consequences to both sides of the coin. So
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 14:22 -0400, Donald Stufft wrote:
Is there much point in keeping catalog-sig and distutils-sig separate?
It seems to me that most of the same people are on both lists, and the topics
almost always have consequences to both sides of the coin. So much so that
it's
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
Is there much point in keeping catalog-sig and distutils-sig separate?
No.
The last time this was brought up, there were objections, but I don't
remember what they were. I'll let people who think there's a point
worry about
+1
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On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Fred Drake f...@fdrake.net wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
Is there much point in keeping catalog-sig and distutils-sig separate?
No.
The last time this was brought up, there were objections, but I don't
remember
On Mar 28, 2013, at 3:39 PM, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Fred Drake f...@fdrake.net wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
Is there much point in keeping catalog-sig and distutils-sig separate?
No.
The last
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com wrote:
And, I'm almost certain that most if not all existing ZIP tools on Windows
will fail to open files with a shebang, since they've never had to deal with
them.
Actually, the opposite is true, at least for 3rd-party
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:49 PM, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com
wrote:
And, I'm almost certain that most if not all existing ZIP tools on Windows
will fail to open files with a shebang, since they've never had to
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 15:42 -0400, Donald Stufft wrote:
On Mar 28, 2013, at 3:39 PM, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Fred Drake f...@fdrake.net wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:22 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
Is there much point in
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Mar 28, 2013, at 3:39 PM, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
Can we do it by just dropping catalog-sig and keeping distutils-sig?
I'm afraid we might lose some important distutils-sig population if
the process involves
On Mar 28, 2013, at 4:04 PM, holger krekel hol...@merlinux.eu wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 15:42 -0400, Donald Stufft wrote:
On Mar 28, 2013, at 3:39 PM, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Fred Drake f...@fdrake.net wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 2:22
As a mostly-lurker on both who would love to cut down on the number of
lists I have to follow: a hearty +1!
Jacob
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
Is there much point in keeping catalog-sig and distutils-sig separate?
It seems to me that most of the same
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
Is there much point in keeping catalog-sig and distutils-sig separate?
It seems to me that most of the same people are on both lists, and the topics
almost always have consequences to both sides of the coin. So much so
I think I'm the only one on the list who probably would have objected
but I'm on both now so whatever :-)
Richard
On 29 March 2013 07:32, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Mar 28, 2013, at 3:39 PM, PJ Eby
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On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io
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On Mar 28, 2013, at 3:39 PM, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
Can we do it by just dropping catalog-sig and keeping
distutils-sig?
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On 03/28/2013 04:32 PM, PJ Eby wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io
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On Mar 28, 2013, at 3:39 PM, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
Can we do it by just
Daniel Holth wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:49 PM, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com
wrote:
And, I'm almost certain that most if not all existing ZIP tools on
Windows will fail to open files with a shebang, since
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 6:19 PM, Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com wrote:
Daniel Holth wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 3:49 PM, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Steve Dower steve.do...@microsoft.com
wrote:
And, I'm almost certain that most if not all
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Jacob Kaplan-Moss ja...@jacobian.org wrote:
C'mon, folks, we're arguing about a name. That's about as close to
literal bikeshedding as we could get.
I'm not arguing about the *name*. I just don't see the point in
making everybody subscribe to a new list and
On Mar 28, 2013, at 7:28 PM, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Jacob Kaplan-Moss ja...@jacobian.org wrote:
C'mon, folks, we're arguing about a name. That's about as close to
literal bikeshedding as we could get.
I'm not arguing about the *name*. I just
But whatever, I hate the pointless duplication and just want to kill the
overlap.
Agree, +1 to merging into one list.
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote:
On Mar 28, 2013, at 7:28 PM, PJ Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 5:15 PM,
On Mar 28, 2013, at 02:22 PM, Donald Stufft wrote:
Is there much point in keeping catalog-sig and distutils-sig separate?
Without yet reading the whole thread, I'll just mention that it's probably
easier to just retire one or the other mailing lists and divert all discussion
to the other one.
On Mar 28, 2013, at 03:42 PM, Donald Stufft wrote:
Don't care how it's done. I don't know Mailman enough to know what is
possible or how easy things are. I thought packaging-sig sounded nice but if
you can't rename + redirect or merge or something in mailman I'm down for
whatever.
Renaming can
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