Re: [Distutils] An observation on how system packagers and developers can be friends

2010-11-05 Thread Mark Sienkiewicz
In the same direction, I wish people would understand that 64-bit Python builds just waste memory, and that they were better off with 32-bit implementations. There are certain irrational reasons to believe that 64 bits is better than 32, but there is also some logic to it. I support an

Re: [Distutils] An observation on how system packagers and developers can be friends

2010-11-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 30, 2010, at 04:59 PM, Marius Gedminas wrote: Why is it a build-dep, anyway? Python's documentation sources are now ReStructuredText, not LaTeX -- since 2.6, I think. I don't believe there are PDFs shipped in python2.x-doc packages. Is it an obsolete build dependency from earlier times?

Re: [Distutils] An observation on how system packagers and developers can be friends

2010-10-30 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 02:43:38AM +0200, Maurits van Rees wrote: Op 29-10-10 00:49, Glyph Lefkowitz schreef: On Debian, there's a handy shortcut: 'apt-get build-dep', which will install the build dependencies for any given source package. So 'apt-get build-dep python' will get you all set to

[Distutils] An observation on how system packagers and developers can be friends

2010-10-28 Thread Jim Fulton
Periodically, in various venues, we discuss the challenges of deploying applications with or in spite of system packaging of Python and system packaging philosophies. (Note that I'm mainly talking g about deploying applications, as opposed to individual Python packages.) In my experience, the

Re: [Distutils] An observation on how system packagers and developers can be friends

2010-10-28 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/2010 12:44 PM, Jim Fulton wrote: Periodically, in various venues, we discuss the challenges of deploying applications with or in spite of system packaging of Python and system packaging philosophies. (Note that I'm mainly talking g

Re: [Distutils] An observation on how system packagers and developers can be friends

2010-10-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Oct 28, 2010, at 02:02 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: I like the idea in general, but worry that some conflicts may not be resolvable. For instance, I don't know what goal drives system packagers to specify UCS4 over the default UCS2, but I won't ever be happy using a Python built that way for

Re: [Distutils] An observation on how system packagers and developers can be friends

2010-10-28 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/2010 04:50 PM, Barry Warsaw wrote: On Oct 28, 2010, at 02:02 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: I like the idea in general, but worry that some conflicts may not be resolvable. For instance, I don't know what goal drives system packagers to

Re: [Distutils] An observation on how system packagers and developers can be friends

2010-10-28 Thread Benji York
On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: Heh, untar + CMMI into a non-system prefix works for me. ;) +1 with the small addition of after making sure the dev dependencies Python sniffs out to build modules for (zlib, crypto bits, etc.) are available. -- Benji

Re: [Distutils] An observation on how system packagers and developers can be friends

2010-10-28 Thread Tres Seaver
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/28/2010 05:54 PM, Benji York wrote: On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 5:44 PM, Tres Seaver tsea...@palladion.com wrote: Heh, untar + CMMI into a non-system prefix works for me. ;) +1 with the small addition of after making sure the dev dependencies

Re: [Distutils] An observation on how system packagers and developers can be friends

2010-10-28 Thread Glyph Lefkowitz
On Oct 28, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Tres Seaver wrote: Heh, agreed. That bites me on about every third machine I set up for the first time. The Usual Suspects (TM) are whatever the local packaging system calls the following (and their -dev or -devel packages, if split out): - - zlib - -