Re: [Distutils] Conditionless setup.py

Me too. YAML is *so much* more widely used, and the complicated edge cases can simply be ignored for this requirement. Maybe it's just because I've never heard of whatever improper behavior the author engaged in, but I don't think a data format needs to answer to the actions of its creator(s). If

Re: [Distutils] Conditionless setup.py

On 2017-08-25 16:16:39 -0700 (-0700), Nathaniel Smith wrote: [...] > I've wondered if we should fork it, rename it "the obvious minimal > language", and release our own 1.0. And make it a toggleable option to configparser? ;) The basic format is pretty similar, granted TOML has a lot more

Re: [Distutils] Conditionless setup.py

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 5:46 PM, xoviat wrote: > I personally do not understand the aversion to YAML. I mean yes, the > specification is more complicated, but it's also more popular and the YAML > files will not be complex enough for a C library to help that much. And > since

Re: [Distutils] Conditionless setup.py

I personally do not understand the aversion to YAML. I mean yes, the specification is more complicated, but it's also more popular and the YAML files will not be complex enough for a C library to help that much. And since it's more popular, people might even prefer specifying package metadata in a

Re: [Distutils] Conditionless setup.py

On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > (The > community around it is sensitive to gender diversity issues and > wants to avoid acquiring more of a "brogrammer" image, so some of us > worry that any conspicuous TOML files checked into revision control >

Re: [Distutils] Conditionless setup.py

On 2017-08-25 14:00:25 +0100 (+0100), Paul Moore wrote: [...] > I'm not that familiar with those tools, but if they enable that > sort of use then that's great. I did get the impression that they > were for more complex/specialised use cases, though, whereas flit > (with PEP 517) is much more

Re: [Distutils] Conditionless setup.py

On 25 August 2017 at 12:14, Jeremy Stanley wrote: > On 2017-08-25 10:50:11 +0100 (+0100), Paul Moore wrote: > [...] >> once PEP 517 is implemented and as flit gains popularity, I fully >> expect more and more projects to use a static data structure for >> their metadata

Re: [Distutils] Conditionless setup.py

On 2017-08-25 07:37:23 -0500 (-0500), Ian Stapleton Cordasco wrote: > Except that OpenStack frequently rejects outside use cases as I > learned as an OpenStack developer who tried to improve PBR. Sadly > it will never be seen as a global solution as long as that > continues Many projects

Re: [Distutils] Conditionless setup.py

It's important to realize that build is a Turing-complete activity. We write programs to build programs. Where setup.py gets in trouble is by making both the metadata and the build script the same thing, making it harder to reason about that metadata. That is why we are working towards being able

Re: [Distutils] Conditionless setup.py

Except that OpenStack frequently rejects outside use cases as I learned as an OpenStack developer who tried to improve PBR. Sadly it will never be seen as a global solution as long as that continues On Aug 25, 2017 6:32 AM, "Jeremy Stanley" wrote: > On 2017-08-25 10:50:11

Re: [Distutils] Conditionless setup.py

On 2017-08-25 10:50:11 +0100 (+0100), Paul Moore wrote: [...] > once PEP 517 is implemented and as flit gains popularity, I fully > expect more and more projects to use a static data structure for > their metadata (flit.ini, specifically). This has also been possible for years already using

Re: [Distutils] Conditionless setup.py

On 25 August 2017 at 09:36, Thomas Güttler wrote: > The setup.py of numpy looks big and complicated: > https://github.com/numpy/numpy/blob/master/setup.py > > I guess there are even more complicated setup.py files. > > Do you think it will be possible in the future

Re: [Distutils] Conditionless setup.py

Hi Thomas! Have you seen Pipfile? It's something along those lines - a declarative specification of project data. :) github.com/pypa/pipfile Regards, Pradyun Gedam On Fri, Aug 25, 2017, 14:12 Thomas Güttler wrote: > The setup.py of numpy looks big and

[Distutils] Conditionless setup.py

The setup.py of numpy looks big and complicated: https://github.com/numpy/numpy/blob/master/setup.py I guess there are even more complicated setup.py files. Do you think it will be possible in the future to make setup.py conditionless (no "if", no "else", no function calls)? I mean that the