Re: [Distutils] Is build an inherently arbitrary-code process?

2014-03-28 Thread Chris Barker
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Nick Coghlan ncogh...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 Mar 2014 05:42, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote: I became convinced that build was an inherently arbitrary-code process, and not something to be universally handled by a declarative system, It wasn't an

[Distutils] Is build an inherently arbitrary-code process?

2014-03-27 Thread Daniel Holth
I became convinced that build was an inherently arbitrary-code process, and not something to be universally handled by a declarative system, when I observed an autotools project under configuration. The things spend ten minutes writing and compiling snippets of C code to determine which features

Re: [Distutils] Is build an inherently arbitrary-code process?

2014-03-27 Thread Donald Stufft
On Mar 27, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote: I became convinced that build was an inherently arbitrary-code process, and not something to be universally handled by a declarative system, when I observed an autotools project under configuration. The things spend ten

Re: [Distutils] Is build an inherently arbitrary-code process?

2014-03-27 Thread Paul Moore
On 27 March 2014 19:48, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: I do believe a declarative build system can work for the 90% case though and should probably be the default option. +1. Easy things should be easy, and hard things possible. Ultimately, I want to say this is my project, here are the

Re: [Distutils] Is build an inherently arbitrary-code process?

2014-03-27 Thread Donald Stufft
On Mar 27, 2014, at 4:19 PM, Paul Moore p.f.mo...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 March 2014 19:48, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: I do believe a declarative build system can work for the 90% case though and should probably be the default option. +1. Easy things should be easy, and hard

Re: [Distutils] Is build an inherently arbitrary-code process?

2014-03-27 Thread Paul Moore
On 27 March 2014 20:30, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: When I interface with an external library that may not be in the same place on every system, I'd expect to say a bit more, but mainly just look in location X, but the user can override this with a command line argument. That's the

Re: [Distutils] Is build an inherently arbitrary-code process?

2014-03-27 Thread David Cournapeau
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Donald Stufft don...@stufft.io wrote: On Mar 27, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote: I became convinced that build was an inherently arbitrary-code process, and not something to be universally handled by a declarative system, when I

Re: [Distutils] Is build an inherently arbitrary-code process?

2014-03-27 Thread Nick Coghlan
On 28 Mar 2014 05:42, Daniel Holth dho...@gmail.com wrote: I became convinced that build was an inherently arbitrary-code process, and not something to be universally handled by a declarative system, It wasn't an accident that last years PyCon panel was subtitled setup.py *install* must die