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I really should let this rest ... really
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 11:43 AM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
At 07:06 AM 3/9/2011 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
They certainly aren't projects in any sense that most people would
understand.
I don't follow you. Sourceforge hosts
At 08:08 AM 3/10/2011 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
I really should let this rest ... really
I notice you seem to have already let rest defending your proposal,
as opposed to opposing mine. ;-)
That is, I don't see where you've included any counterargument for
why convincing people to
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 6:00 PM, Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
I question whether that distinction is important, but if and when it
is, then we could use an adjective to clarify. Under the hood, the
object we call packages today are just modules.
I think
On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 12:26 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
At 05:18 PM 3/7/2011 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
If what we now call packages were called modules, then we could
start using the term package the way everyone else does. I think
lots of people would be less confused.
It
At 07:06 AM 3/9/2011 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
They certainly aren't projects in any sense that most people would
understand.
I don't follow you. Sourceforge hosts projects. Freshmeat indexes
projects. Mozdev.org hosts projects. The Apache Foundation hosts
projects. Project, IOW, is
On Mar 9, 2011, at 7:06 AM, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
They certainly aren't projects in any sense that most people would
understand. They are arguably products of projects. Of course, the
term product has negative connotations for some folks.
Not for everybody! As far as I am
FWIW, when I've been writing docs or answering packaging questions and
trying to use the approved, unambiguous terminology, using project for
thing with a PyPI page has never been a problem; I've had much more
difficulty in using distribution as the term for a zipfile or tarball
or egg that you
They certainly aren't projects in any sense that most people would
understand.
I don't follow you.
Maybe we have lost the context here, but I think I agree with Jim.
Even though PyPI hosts projects, they (the files you download)
aren't projects - they are distributions or packages.
Regards,
At 10:22 PM 3/9/2011 -0500, Martin v. Löwis wrote:
They certainly aren't projects in any sense that most people would
understand.
I don't follow you.
Maybe we have lost the context here, but I think I agree with Jim.
Even though PyPI hosts projects, they (the files you download)
aren't
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 21:47, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
The term has been in use in setuptools since around 2005, but it hasn't
caught on much outside of the small group of people who need to be able to
speak precisely about the concept. ;-)
Well, I've changed the terminology in
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 23:18, Jim Fulton j...@zope.com wrote:
Given that Python 3 is a reboot, maybe it's time for the Python
community to start calling these what ``python`` calls them,
modules.
Well, given that the term project hasn't gained widespread
acceptance, maybe we should adjust the
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 6:57 PM, Greg Ewing greg.ew...@canterbury.ac.nz wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
If what we now call packages were called modules, then we could
start using the term package the way everyone else does.
But then we would not have a term for a module that corresponds
to a
Le 08/03/2011 09:39, Lennart Regebro a écrit :
Well, given that the term project hasn't gained widespread
acceptance, maybe we should adjust the terminology to how people
actually use it.
That could only happen in Python 3.3, though, and obviously needs to
be discussed widely. Is there a
At 05:18 PM 3/7/2011 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
If what we now call packages were called modules, then we could
start using the term package the way everyone else does. I think
lots of people would be less confused.
It seems to me that in order to make that change, you have to get
more people
Jim Fulton wrote:
I question whether that distinction is important, but if and when it
is, then we could use an adjective to clarify. Under the hood, the
object we call packages today are just modules.
I think the fact that we used the word package in the
first place testifies that it *is*
I've started working on a little utility to give a quality rating on
packages
Please don’t call those things packages. Let’s try to use “package”
only for a directory that you can import from Python, and “distribution”
for a bundle/archive of one version of a project.
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 11:01, Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org wrote:
I've started working on a little utility to give a quality rating on
packages
Please don’t call those things packages. Let’s try to use “package”
only for a directory that you can import from Python, and “distribution”
for a
2011/3/7 Éric Araujo mer...@netwok.org:
The problem is that it's not distributions (although it will test them
too). It's Things that has a setup.py and what has an entry on
PyPI.
Okay, so that’s called a project in distutils docs
In distutils2, yes.
My point is that if we have to live
Okay, so that’s called a project in distutils docs
In distutils2, yes.
You’re right, I checked again and found that “packages” has slipped into
distutils docs, so it’s only the PEPs and distutils2 docs that try to be
sane.
Thanks for listening to my request. :)
Regards
On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 4:15 PM, P.J. Eby p...@telecommunity.com wrote:
At 11:46 AM 3/7/2011 +0100, Lennart Regebro wrote:
I'll make a note of this in the documentation to clear it up.
Distutils2 is definitely in the minority at the moment when it comes
to calling them projects.
The term has
Lennart Regebro wrote:
If a decision comes to call
these projects, then I'm fine with that,
+1 on 'project' as the official term.
A bonus is that we could decide that PyPI stands for
Python Project Index if we wanted.
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On Mar 07, 2011, at 05:18 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
Given that Python 3 is a reboot, maybe it's time for the Python
community to start calling these what ``python`` calls them,
modules.
Very nice. +1. And nested module where the distinction is important. Even
namespace module sounds okay to me.
Jim Fulton wrote:
If what we now call packages were called modules, then we could
start using the term package the way everyone else does.
But then we would not have a term for a module that corresponds
to a directory rather than a single .py file.
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I've started working on a little utility to give a quality rating on
packages, expressed in 0-10 points, and also in cheese types,
according to smellyness.
It's going to check for things like that it has all meta data it
should have, such as author_email, specifies Python versions via the
trove
On Mar 6, 2011 3:47 AM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
I've started working on a little utility to give a quality rating on
packages, expressed in 0-10 points, and also in cheese types,
according to smellyness.
How about cheese inspecter?
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On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Benji York be...@benjiyork.com wrote:
On Mar 6, 2011 3:47 AM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
I've started working on a little utility to give a quality rating on
packages, expressed in 0-10 points, and also in cheese types,
according to smellyness.
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
I've started working on a little utility to give a quality rating on
packages, expressed in 0-10 points, and also in cheese types,
according to smellyness.
It's going to check for things like that it has all meta data it
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 17:00, Tarek Ziadé ziade.ta...@gmail.com wrote:
Reminds me a bit about CheeseCake http://pycheesecake.org/
Indeed, it's a lot like CheeseCake, which I had forgot about and
didn't find either by google, pypi or asking on #plone and #python.
:-)
However, there are a
Excellent idea Lennart...
On Mar 06, 2011, at 03:51 PM, Brad Allen wrote:
cheeseshop.critic
pypi.stickler
I like the cheeseshop namespace used for this. Or maybe wenslydale :)
http://orangecow.org/pythonet/sketches/cheese.htm
-Barry
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The winner is Wichert, with pyroma.
I do like the stickler name, and the cheeseshop namespace, but since
there is nothing else in that namespace I'll wait with it. It can
easily be moved to a cheeseshop.compliance or whatever in the
future, but that the moment it's pyroma. I'll check it in
Speaking of names, I would rename PyPI to packages.python.org, maybe move
the existing documentation center to docs.python.org, and then move the docs
of Python itself to a `/python` folder...
But that's just me.
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com wrote:
The
Lennart Regebro wrote:
But, before I move this to a public repository and upload it to PyPI,
there is one important thing to be determined: What should it be
called?
Inspector Tiger?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDdCghQYvDY
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Since mercurial makes me annoyed I decided to use it. I'll have to
learn it someday anyway, so why not now?
https://bitbucket.org/regebro/pyroma
Helpers welcome (although you'll probably have to wait to after PyCon).
//Lennart
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 20:40, Lennart Regebro rege...@gmail.com
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