Re: [Distutils] [Python-Dev] Capsule Summary of Some Packaging/Deployment Technology Concerns

2008-03-20 Thread Jeff Rush
Dave Peterson wrote: I agree. Let's get that setuptools wiki started and start documenting some of these ideas as a roadmap so that anyone who wants to help out has an idea of what to work on, or factor into what they're currently working on. Anyway, since Enthought is already

Re: [Distutils] [Python-Dev] Capsule Summary of Some Packaging/Deployment Technology Concerns

2008-03-20 Thread Dave Peterson
Jeff Rush wrote: Dave Peterson wrote: I agree. Let's get that setuptools wiki started and start documenting some of these ideas as a roadmap so that anyone who wants to help out has an idea of what to work on, or factor into what they're currently working on. Anyway, since Enthought

Re: [Distutils] [Python-Dev] Capsule Summary of Some Packaging/Deployment Technology Concerns

2008-03-19 Thread Jeff Rush
Phillip J. Eby wrote: I'm actually happy to hear that there's this much energy available -- hopefully some of it can be harnessed towards positive solutions. When I began developing setuptools, I often asked for the input of packagers, developers, etc., through the distutils-sig... and

Re: [Distutils] [Python-Dev] Capsule Summary of Some Packaging/Deployment Technology Concerns

2008-03-19 Thread Matthias Klose
Jeff Rush writes: I was in a Packaging BoF yesterday and, although not very relevant to the packager bootstrap thread, Guido has asked me to post some of the concerns. We did address many topics on both days, I added the following topics which were addressed on the Friday BoF only, see

Re: [Distutils] [Python-Dev] Capsule Summary of Some Packaging/Deployment Technology Concerns

2008-03-19 Thread Alexander Michael
On Wed, Mar 19, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Matthias Klose [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - It would be useful if setuptools could handle separate build and install steps like most configure/make/make install systems do. Access to external resources should optionally be disabled during a build. What's

Re: [Distutils] [Python-Dev] Capsule Summary of Some Packaging/Deployment Technology Concerns

2008-03-19 Thread Matthias Klose
Phillip J. Eby writes: 7. Many wanted to ability to install files anywhere in the install tree and not just under the Python package. Under distutils this was possible but it was removed in setuptools for security reasons. It wasn't security, it was manageability. Egg-based

Re: [Distutils] [Python-Dev] Capsule Summary of Some Packaging/Deployment Technology Concerns

2008-03-19 Thread Martin v. Löwis
The Python sandbox has a setuptools directory. Is this the canonical location for the code? Yes, it is. If so, then anybody who has Python commit privileges can commit to it and help further develop setuptools. They can, but they shouldn't. Nothing should be committed there without

Re: [Distutils] [Python-Dev] Capsule Summary of Some Packaging/Deployment Technology Concerns

2008-03-18 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 08:37:30PM -0400, Phillip J. Eby wrote: At 05:10 PM 3/17/2008 -0500, Jeff Rush wrote: People also want a greater variety of file_finders to be included with setuptools. Instead of just CVS and SVN, they want it to comprehend Mercurial, Bazaar, Git and so

Re: [Distutils] [Python-Dev] Capsule Summary of Some Packaging/Deployment Technology Concerns

2008-03-18 Thread Jeff Rush
Marius Gedminas wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 08:37:30PM -0400, Phillip J. Eby wrote: At 05:10 PM 3/17/2008 -0500, Jeff Rush wrote: People also want a greater variety of file_finders to be included with setuptools. Instead of just CVS and SVN, they want it to comprehend

Re: [Distutils] [Python-Dev] Capsule Summary of Some Packaging/Deployment Technology Concerns

2008-03-18 Thread Dave Peterson
Phillip J. Eby wrote: At 05:10 PM 3/17/2008 -0500, Jeff Rush wrote: 1. Many felt the existing dependency resolver was not correct. They wanted a full tree traversal resulting in an intersection of all restrictions, instead of a first-acceptable-solution approach taking now, which

Re: [Distutils] [Python-Dev] Capsule Summary of Some Packaging/Deployment Technology Concerns

2008-03-18 Thread Phillip J. Eby
We should probably move this off of Python-Dev, as we're getting into deep details now... At 07:27 PM 3/18/2008 -0500, Dave Peterson wrote: If you really wanted to do a full-tree intersection, it seems to me that the problem is detecting all the dependencies without having to spend significant

Re: [Distutils] [Python-Dev] Capsule Summary of Some Packaging/Deployment Technology Concerns

2008-03-17 Thread Phillip J. Eby
At 05:10 PM 3/17/2008 -0500, Jeff Rush wrote: I was in a Packaging BoF yesterday and, although not very relevant to the packager bootstrap thread, Guido has asked me to post some of the concerns. The BoF drew about 15 people, many of whom were packagers for Red Hat, Ubuntu and such. Everyone had