Re: [Distutils] Switch PyPA from IRC to Gitter or similar

2016-06-11 Thread Brett Cannon
On Fri, 10 Jun 2016 at 07:25 Ian Cordasco wrote: > On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Jason R. Coombs > wrote: > > In #pypa-dev, I raised the possibility of moving our PyPA support > channels from IRC to another hosted solution that enables

Re: [Distutils] Switch PyPA from IRC to Gitter or similar

2016-06-10 Thread Anna Ravenscroft
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Glyph wrote: > There might be a useful discussion buried in here about where official > real-time _development_ discussion should go - but then, any weighty > decisions should be discussed on the mailing list anyway to ensure that >

Re: [Distutils] Switch PyPA from IRC to Gitter or similar

2016-06-10 Thread Ian Cordasco
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Glyph wrote: > > On Jun 10, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Robert Collins > wrote: > > FWIW, I won't be switching to gitter or slack - I find the push > notifications and always-on experience exhausting. It gets in the way >

Re: [Distutils] Switch PyPA from IRC to Gitter or similar

2016-06-10 Thread Glyph
> On Jun 10, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Robert Collins wrote: > > FWIW, I won't be switching to gitter or slack - I find the push > notifications and always-on experience exhausting. It gets in the way > of thinking or doing anything useful. I often leave my phone in >

Re: [Distutils] Switch PyPA from IRC to Gitter or similar

2016-06-10 Thread Glyph
> On Jun 10, 2016, at 6:22 AM, Jason R. Coombs wrote: > > In #pypa-dev, I raised the possibility of moving our PyPA support channels > from IRC to another hosted solution that enables persistence. Opinions about free software vs. federation vs. user experience aside, I

Re: [Distutils] Switch PyPA from IRC to Gitter or similar

2016-06-10 Thread Robert Collins
On 11 June 2016 at 01:22, Jason R. Coombs wrote: > In #pypa-dev, I raised the possibility of moving our PyPA support channels > from IRC to another hosted solution that enables persistence. Although IRC > has served us well, there are systems now with clear feature

Re: [Distutils] Switch PyPA from IRC to Gitter or similar

2016-06-10 Thread Ian Cordasco
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Jun 10, 2016 07:25, "Ian Cordasco" wrote: >> > [...] >> I've tried using Gitter several times in the past. Unless they've >> fixed their bugs related to sending me emails every day about

Re: [Distutils] Switch PyPA from IRC to Gitter or similar

2016-06-10 Thread Noah Kantrowitz
Chef is in the process of navigating an IRC->Slack migration. https://github.com/chef/chef-rfc/blob/master/rfc074-community-slack.md is the document I wrote up on the pros and cons of various options. Gitter has a better UX for new users compared to Slack because it was built to be for public

Re: [Distutils] Switch PyPA from IRC to Gitter or similar

2016-06-10 Thread Nathaniel Smith
On Jun 10, 2016 07:25, "Ian Cordasco" wrote: > [...] > I've tried using Gitter several times in the past. Unless they've > fixed their bugs related to sending me emails every day about activity > in a channel I spoke in once and left, I think they should be >

Re: [Distutils] Switch PyPA from IRC to Gitter or similar

2016-06-10 Thread Wayne Werner
On Fri, 10 Jun 2016, Jason R. Coombs wrote: Personally, the downsides to moving to Gitter (other than enacting the move itself) seem negligible. What do you think? What downsides am I missing? That may be the main issue. Given the responses thus far, it seems like most people are happy with

Re: [Distutils] Switch PyPA from IRC to Gitter or similar

2016-06-10 Thread Fred Drake
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 10:24 AM, Ian Cordasco wrote: > So here's a question: Why are these crucial to you? You've explained > potential benefits but not why they're crucial to you and should be > crucial to anyone else. For people who want an always-on presence,

Re: [Distutils] Switch PyPA from IRC to Gitter or similar

2016-06-10 Thread Ian Cordasco
On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 8:22 AM, Jason R. Coombs wrote: > In #pypa-dev, I raised the possibility of moving our PyPA support channels > from IRC to another hosted solution that enables persistence. Although IRC > has served us well, there are systems now with clear feature

Re: [Distutils] Switch PyPA from IRC to Gitter or similar

2016-06-10 Thread Alex Walters
n.org > Subject: [Distutils] Switch PyPA from IRC to Gitter or similar > > In #pypa-dev, I raised the possibility of moving our PyPA support channels > from IRC to another hosted solution that enables persistence. Although IRC > has served us well, there are systems now with cle

[Distutils] Switch PyPA from IRC to Gitter or similar

2016-06-10 Thread Jason R. Coombs
In #pypa-dev, I raised the possibility of moving our PyPA support channels from IRC to another hosted solution that enables persistence. Although IRC has served us well, there are systems now with clear feature advantages, which are crucial to my continuous participation: - always-on