on development and deployment systems
and because we may need different versions for different applications on
a development machine. I'm just beginning to learn about eggs.
I certainly hope I'll have the same flexibility when installing eggs
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virtual-python.py looks very useful. It lacks a license/copyright
statement though. Can we get this? Are there plans to include this
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Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 10:06 AM 1/14/2006 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
On many Linux (Unix?) platforms, you can pass an -rpath/-R option to the
linker at build time that causes the run-time linker to use specific
paths to load libraries. This feature is supported by disutils through
its
logic.
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proposed change.
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, the application should be able to find the entry points in that
working set.
Does that capture what you want to do?
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, which means the trick
of putting eggs and scripts in the same directory doesn't work,
- is simple. :)
It appears that this has something to do with your plugin proposal.
I'll try to participate in that discussion to tease this out a bit more.
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At 07:31 AM 2/9/2006 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
I really don't think the virtual python approach is viable, at a minimum
because it doesn't work on windows. It is also unacceptably heavy IMO.
What do you mean by heavy?
It essentially duplicates the python install
Phillip J. Eby wrote:
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Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 07:31 AM 2/9/2006 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
I really don't think the virtual python approach is viable, at a
minimum
because it doesn't work on windows. It is also unacceptably heavy IMO
Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 12:07 PM 2/11/2006 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
I think you're on the right track, at least from a functionality point
of view,
although I don't want to require a special PYTHONPATH setting to
use a generated wrapper script.
Just two quick comments: the PYTHONPATH
inspect
the .pth file to see exactly what's being used. They can even modify
it if the feel so bold.
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would be for users of the application to install
plugins one by one. The application can advise them of sucess or
failure, let them know about conflicts and possible remedies and
let the user decide what to do. I think this would be a better model.
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At 07:15 AM 2/9/2006 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
Phillip J. Eby wrote:
I recently started work on adding egg support to Chandler (
http://chandler.osafoundation.org/ ), and ran into some interesting
issues with respect to plugin discovery. Specifically, it's not easy
on Windows. I'm not entirely sure where I'm going with this, though.
I think that something much simpler can be made to work. I think a little
more control over how scripts get generated would go a long way. (There
is still the question of the interactive interpreter...)
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Ian Bicking wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
...
lib/python2.4/ is for packages.
Minor note: this needs to be flexible. I'd be more inclined to go
with something shallower and simpler, like just lib,
Why? Top-level packages aren't portable, since .pyc files aren't
portable. Eggs
I seem to remember a threat from from Phillip to make a proposal
for installing script-specific ,pth files with scripts, but I don't
think I every saw anything. Have I missed anything? If so, what? :)
If not, I'll probably write something myself and share it.
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Ian Bicking wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
I seem to remember a threat from from Phillip to make a proposal
for installing script-specific ,pth files with scripts, but I don't
think I every saw anything. Have I missed anything? If so, what? :)
If not, I'll probably write something myself
Ian Bicking wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
Ian Bicking wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
I seem to remember a threat from from Phillip to make a proposal
for installing script-specific ,pth files with scripts, but I don't
think I every saw anything. Have I missed anything? If so, what
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need a path
nanny. :) I can understand this, to some degree, if --prefix is used,
but if I specifically set an install location, setuptools should trust
that I know what the heck I'm doing.
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Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 10:08 AM 5/18/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
If I explicitly specify an installation directory, for example, by
specifying:
[install]
install_lib = ~/py-lib
install_scripts = ~/bin
in setup.cfg, setuptools gives me an error is the specified
lib dir
it to get preference bacause it
reflects current developemnt.
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in a directory sys.path, but I see no
check.
Why are the eggs not copied?
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I really don't know what's going on with these. :)
Are the rules for combining specifiers specified anywhere?
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...
I was going to say, of course, and give you a link, but I'm surprised to
discover there's nothing I can find. Which is weird because I *know* I
wrote something.
I thought you did too.
However I suspect
to get the specifiers, however, this
attribute isn't documented. Should I assume that it is
private? Or is it safe to use.
- I'm still a bit foggy on how to interpret the specifiers.
But we're discussing that in another thread.
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On Jun 21, 2006, at 6:21 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 05:36 PM 6/21/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
In ascending version order, what is the ordering of:
1.2, 1.2, ==1.2, =1.2, =1.2, and !=1.2
?
It's actually unspecified, because it makes no sense to have more
than one condition
:
1.2, 1.3
there is an implicit -infinity and infinity so that, for example,
1.9 falls between the pair 1,3 and infinity.
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On Jun 21, 2006, at 6:27 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 05:37 PM 6/21/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
Suppose I have the directory:
/home/jim/tmp/dist:
used 92 available 41345796
-rw-rw-r-- 1 jim jim 671 Jun 19 17:43 demoneeded-1.0-py2.4.egg
-rw-rw-r-- 1 jim jim 672 Jun 19
didn't get the available upgrade
for demoneeded. Is that intended? Are there plans for a recursive
upgrade option?
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On Jun 22, 2006, at 11:38 AM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
nest is supposed to be part of setuptools 0.7, but 0.6 final
isn't out yet.
I don't know what nest is. Is it described anywhere?
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On Jun 22, 2006, at 11:48 AM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 07:25 AM 6/22/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
I can get at the specifiers. What I want is either a public API for
getting the
specifiers, or an API that lets me retrieve the upper bound, if there
is one.
(Obviously, it could return None
On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:49 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 12:26 PM 6/22/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
On Jun 21, 2006, at 5:11 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
Requirement strings basically consist of a distribution name, an
optional list of options (more on this in a moment), and a
comma
On Jun 22, 2006, at 1:42 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 01:05 PM 6/22/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
On Jun 22, 2006, at 12:49 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 12:26 PM 6/22/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
On Jun 21, 2006, at 5:11 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
Requirement strings basically consist
On Jun 22, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
I assume you are alluding to what I assume is the case that that
there is an implicit
-infinity and infinity, so the above example becomes:
No, that can't be right. If that were so, then
==1.2 would be meaningless
So I have no idea what
On Jun 22, 2006, at 3:00 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 02:20 PM 6/22/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
On Jun 22, 2006, at 1:56 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
I assume you are alluding to what I assume is the case that that
there is an implicit
-infinity and infinity, so the above example becomes
On Jun 22, 2006, at 4:08 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
...
A simple state machine is used to implement this:
state_machine = {
# =
'' : '--T',
'=': 'T-T',
'' : 'F+F',
'=': 'T+F',
'==': 'T..',
'!=': 'F++',
}
cmp() is used to determine whether
to do that, they sometimes need precise
specifications
of behavior.
Jim
On Jun 22, 2006, at 4:36 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 04:08 PM 6/22/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
So given:1, 3, 5, 7
You are sure that 4 is accepted?
Scanning left to right, 1 is a lower bound and 4 is above it, so
On Jun 22, 2006, at 6:51 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 04:54 PM 6/22/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
In any case, I expect that having people build tools on top of
setuptools is a use case
you anticipated. For people to do that, they sometimes need precise
specifications
of behavior
users
force downloads to be unzipped, which I may do anyway to be safe. :)
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On Jun 23, 2006, at 11:53 AM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 11:37 AM 6/23/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
I have a script based on setuptools that invokes easy install to
check for
and download newer distributions. I allow users to specify
whether or
not they want unzipped downloads
link given?
Also, I've noticed that if you gibe a location with find-links that has
links to distributions for the thing you're looking for, it you can
specify
pretty much anything as an index.
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On Jun 23, 2006, at 4:30 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 04:10 PM 6/23/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
What form must an index take to be usable with setuptools?
Is there anything documented how such a beast should be organized?
What should it's pages should look like? Is there any special
AFAICT, with 0.6b3, setup.py develop ignores the --no-deps option.
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and, guess what? It's not included.
Bug or feature?
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Has anyone written up any best practices for creating eggs?
How do people handle documentation? Our packages tend to have
documentation files included as doctests, but It's not clear how folks
are expected to get to them, especially if the eggs are zip files.
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with the descriptive
information, then easy_install can find the eggs, but most of my meta
data isn't shown. Has anyone else seen this behavior, or am I just
insane.
For now, I'm not uploading eggs to PyPI, which is a shame, because
setuptools sure made it convenient. :(
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On Jun 28, 2006, at 4:56 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 04:37 PM 6/28/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
If I don't have a README or README.txt file next to my setup.py file
when I create an edd, I'll get the warning:
warning: manifest_maker: standard file not found: should have one
of README
On Jun 28, 2006, at 5:30 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 05:16 PM 6/28/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
Interesting. I thought that --tag-svn-revision was a common/
recommended
practice.
It *is* -- but not for releases being sent to PyPI. a dev-r
release is a development snapshot
On Jun 28, 2006, at 6:09 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 05:42 PM 6/28/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
If I want people to be able to download it, I have to upload it
somewhere.
Not necessarily. If you have a pure-Python package, and your
target audience has Subversion, you can provide a URL
How does one register a new Framework classifier?
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it because the existing release doesn't get overwritten.
Another issue is that I see us moving toward lots of fairly fine-grained
packages and I want to keep the ceremony pretty low.
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On Jun 29, 2006, at 6:52 AM, Kevin Dangoor wrote:
On Jun 28, 2006, at 7:30 PM, Jim Fulton wrote:
How does one register a new Framework classifier?
FWIW, I've been using keywords a lot, because I can add arbitrary
ones whenever I wish and still do searches. TurboGears has a
package
On Jul 7, 2006, at 4:20 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 02:52 PM 7/7/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
...
Perhaps someone should propose an API and we'll see. :)
I thought I already did. :) Here it is again:
baseURL/ should return a page containing href links to projects
baseURL/projectname
one shouldn't.
This means that one always has to use an index. In which case, what
is the point of find-links?
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On Jul 11, 2006, at 11:25 AM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 03:54 AM 7/11/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
On Jul 10, 2006, at 6:22 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
Here's the problem. Reducing everything to info messages means
there's effectively no control over output detail. I generally
use
'warn
On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:07 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 11:50 AM 7/11/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
OK that's an interesting point wrt possible misspellings. If you can
find the package via the find links, but not via the index, that
seems to me to be a pretty good indication
a setup.cfg into the resulting directory
and then run easy_install on the result. I would hope though that
there is a better way. :)
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On Aug 8, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 10:43 AM 8/8/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
One hack I can think of is to use --editible and --build-directory to
download the package, write a setup.cfg into the resulting directory
and then run easy_install on the result. I would hope
On Aug 8, 2006, at 12:15 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 12:02 PM 8/8/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
On Aug 8, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 10:43 AM 8/8/2006 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
One hack I can think of is to use --editible and --build-
directory to
download the package
mentioned the other day, my plan to to make more use of
setuptools and less use of easy_install in zc.buildout, until I
eventually don't use easy_install at all.
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IMO, the message zip_safe flag not set; analyzing archive
contents... should be an info message, not a warning message, at
lease when processing non-setuptools-based source distribution.
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to take a crack at fixing the bug and adding the
feature. Where is the source?
I assume that this also applies to gui.exe.
BTW, Shouldn't the setuptools project be moved out of sandbox and be
made a proper svn project with it's own trunk, branches, and tags?
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On Aug 22, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
Let me know if you'd like me to merge this to the 0.6 branch and
trunk.
Yes, please. I'll take care of updating the release notes for 0.6c2.
Done.
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that ez_setup
has a well-known URL, so my bootstrap script,
http://svn.zope.org/zc.buildout/trunk/bootstrap/bootstrap.py?
view=auto can be pretty stupid and minimal.
Of course, if ez_setup went away, I'd cope. :)
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On Sep 12, 2006, at 7:37 AM, Jim Fulton wrote:
On Sep 8, 2006, at 9:14 AM, Kevin Dangoor wrote:
Is this something zc.buildout can help with?
Probably. zc.buildout isn't aimed squarely at this use case. It
might work, either as is, or expanded, or some of it's parts might
help.
I'll
to assemble a bunch of source distributions so that
your tar ball is useful on a number of distributions, at least for a
source tarball.
FWIW, I plan, in the next few days to publish a proposal for
providing this functionality in zc.buildout.
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in the path of every script.
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On Sep 19, 2006, at 8:11 AM, Jim Fulton wrote:
...
Note that the scripts generated by zc.buildout don't use
pkg_resources to determine the eggs to be loaded at run time.
It's also worth noting that the eggs documentation, http://
peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/PythonEggs, explicitly
in a form tailored specifically to setuptools. To use it, just
import and call zc.buildoutsftp.buildoutsftp.install(). This installs
the sftp handler into urllib2. Then, in your setuptools-based
application, you can use sftp urls to name an index server or find
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This will probably break buildout's bootstrapping script, which uses
ez_setup.
I was too hasty in making this remark. The buildout bootstrap script,
http://svn.zope.org/zc.buildout/trunk/bootstrap/bootstrap.py?view=markup
Uses the use_setup function from ez_setup.py
.)
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Oops, I forgot to copy the list on my first respose.
On Sun, 2006-10-22 at 14:45 -0400, Jim Fulton wrote:
Matt Good wrote:
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I'd like to call Ya aint gonna need it on the extras feature of
setuptools.
As far as I can
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not follow the same pattern as for public projects? I don't
see why a project's structure should depend on whether it is
public or private.
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Martijn Faassen wrote:
Hi there,
I'm trying to induce zc.buildout's zc.recipe.egg:custom recipe to build
a library (lxml) against C libraries (libxml2, libxslt) installed in a
custom place, i.e. as parts, such as parts/libxml2/include and
parts/libxml2/lib.
I thought
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...
I plan to write a develop recipe, and am hoping to get to that this
weekend.
I've just released a new version of zc.recipe.egg that
provides a develop recipe:
http://www.python.org/
pypi?:action=displayname=zc.recipe.eggversion=1.0.0b3
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The other mini tutorial is on the Zope Component Architecture.
It is aimed a Python programmers in general. You needed be
or intend to be a Zope developer to benefit from it.
I tried to type needn't. Sorry.
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This has the advantage that, if you use an SSH agent, you don't
have to enter credentials when you download a transaction. And,
of course, it is more secure than digest or basic authentication.
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It appears that the values of the tests_require and test_suite
keyword arguments isn't captured in egg-info. Am I missing
something? Why would this information be omitted? I would like to
use it when generating test runners in zc.buildout.
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At 04:14 PM 1/4/2007 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
It appears that the values of the tests_require and test_suite
keyword arguments isn't captured in egg-info. Am I missing
something? Why would this information be omitted?
Because the only
distributions listed in extra requires for the 'tests' extra shall
be included in the working set for the test runner.
Thoughts?
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David Fraser wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
Here is a rough draft proposal for declaring tests in eggs:
Introduction
Software packages should have automated tests. Consumers of
packages will often want to run these tests. Tools should be able to
do this automatically
Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 01:11 PM 1/5/2007 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
Phillip J. Eby wrote:
...
Why can't an entry point invoke a test loader itself?
This seems much simpler and more straightforward to me.
Because that requires you to write code for something that can
adequately be expressed
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I'd rather let people use whatever framework
they want to do this and to control this from Python.
The approach I suggested certainly allows that to happen,
I know. That's why I wouldn't object to it.
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be wrong. Since zc.buildout uses setuptools
though, if there is a standard setuptools way of doing this, I'd hope it
should be possible to do it in zc.buildout?
Is there a way to do find-links in buildout? I think so, maybe named
something like find-links.
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or whatever in that list of eggs as well.
But I'm not sure how that relates to svn link above.
There seems to need to be a page you can point to with an
#dev anchor that specified the project name.
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Not for easy_install, you don't. If buildout doesn't support it, that's a
bug or limitation of buildout.
buildout does support find-links (and index, for that matter).
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Distutils-SIG maillist - Distutils-SIG
for develop eggs or eggs that
are build with custom build options. It is only used for eggs that
are known to be constant for a given version and thus sharable accross
projects.)
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On Jan 29, 2007, at 5:14 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
So, from your example, you now have a kss.core-0.1dev egg. It isn't
a real release. It reflects the state of your subversion repository
at the time you happened to run the buildout.
My guess is that if you run
On Jan 29, 2007, at 5:26 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 05:07 PM 1/29/2007 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
On Jan 29, 2007, at 4:52 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote:
Jim Fulton wrote:
So do you get a develop egg and egg link or a regular egg for
each of
these packages? If the later, as I fear, I
= archetypes.kss
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On Feb 1, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 07:11 AM 2/1/2007 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
I like the goal, since most of our extensions are in this category,
however, I have a feeling that this use case might be better served
by packaging the extensions as separate distributions
Phillip J. Eby wrote:
At 05:32 PM 2/1/2007 -0500, Jim Fulton wrote:
I'm still worried about the ambiguous case when there are both
platform-dependent and platform-independent eggs installed.
How would this happen?
At least in a couple of ways.
1. As I mentioned in my previous note, when
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