Re: [Diversity-talk] Etiquette Guidelines bad | Re: Code of conduct

[Jo Walsh]

I continue to stand by the statement that a community CoC is there to protect 
under-represented people, not to enable privileged folks to tone police one 
other. In reverting edits and applying temporary blocks, one must look at 
intention not behaviour. 

Also everyone's on edge now for reasons that go far beyond OSM, fearful for our 
jobs, worried for our friends and families, deprived of our daily distractions 
and outlets, in the depths of midwinter. As appeasing as it may seem, give this 
time. Don't let go of the structural momentum for culture change, but do give 
one another time right now.


zx

-- 
  Jo Walsh
  metaz...@fastmail.net

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 4:33 PM, Rory McCann wrote:
> Have any of yous read the Ettiquette Guidelines¹? They're rubbish.
> 
> Frederik broke them by publically calling Mike Migurski out, and for 
> not assuming he was acting in good faith. *But* if anyone publishes 
> something saying “What Frederik did was wrong” (like I (& others) did), 
> then they are also breaking the Ettiquette Guidelines! That's a 
> horrible outcome!
> 
> ¹ https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette
> 
> On Wed, 9 Dec 2020, at 16:57, Maggie Cawley wrote:
> > I am so happy to see this thread. I believe it will take all of us 
> > coming together and speaking with a unified voice to bring upon the 
> > change we need at the global level. As Clifford mentioned, a few of us 
> > from the LCCWG met on Monday to start talking about next steps. It's 
> > not about one statement, but rather that discussions and comments like 
> > those from this past week affect us all as we work to build diverse 
> > communities around the world.   
> > 
> > Rob, Clifford and I discussed the need for a CoC, but when Rob pointed 
> > out the Etiquette Guidelines exist and are pretty widely accepted it 
> > seems like a logical place to start. It would also enable us to move a 
> > bit more quickly since the document exists and won't need many rounds 
> > of community feedback. What is missing is the process for moderation 
> > and a committee available to moderate any complaints on breaches of 
> > etiquette. It would be helpful to review and suggest edits to the 
> > existing guidelines during this process as well. For the US CoC it took 
> > about 8 months to finalize the CoC and moderation process, and find 
> > volunteers for a committee.
> > 
> > I look forward to growing the conversation. Thanks Heather for starting 
> > this thread here and to all of you who are stepping forward!
> > 
> > Maggie Cawley
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 21:30, arnalie faye vicario  
> > wrote:
> > > Hello/*Kumusta*,
> > > 
> > > *Salamat*/Thanks everyone for continuing the conversations and taking 
> > > this seriously.
> > > 
> > > It is good to speak up and comment about it in our individual capacities, 
> > > but a collective can build a fire  (charcoal comparison). 
> > > 
> > > This is what we did in OSM PH's Call to Correct Narratives About 
> > > Geospatial Work in the Philippines (re: Amazon-HOT video).  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Also, I would like to quote and highlight what David Garcia 
> > > (@mapmakerdavid) has shared in Twitter:
> > >> It is not just the maps that matters. Who *makes* the maps matters. Who 
> > >> *tells* the stories of the mapping matters, too. Who *LEADS* the mapping 
> > >> and storytelling also matters. Who *gets powerful* due to the mapping 
> > >> and storytelling matters most.
> > > 
> > > Thank you Geochicas, Celine @mapeadora, Heather, Rebecca, Miriam 
> > > @mapanauta, Nelson Minar, LCCWG Group, OSMF past/present Board members 
> > > (Kate, Rory and Mikel), HOT Community WG and everyone who expressed 
> > > support and has spoken up (apologies if I missed your name). It is really 
> > > encouraging and inspiring. Please add your thoughts in the document: 
> > > https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit
> > > 
> > > In case you missed it (like me), here is what Celine sent in the OSM talk 
> > > mailing list: 
> > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085727.html.
> > > 
> > > Let us keep the fire burning!
> > > 
> > > =Arnalie
> > > 
> > > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:54 AM Clifford Snow  
> > > wrote:
> > >> I should mention that what we, Maggie Crawely, Rob Nickerson and myself, 
> > >> want to accomplish is to create a committee to moderate the existing 
> > >> etiquette guidelines and later update the guidelines to reflect best 
> > >> practices of Code of Conducts.We planned to form a sub committee under 
> > >> the LCCWG since CoC is critical to Local Chapters. We did a survey of 
> > >> Local Chapters and those considering forming one. The results showed 
> > >> that 5 LC already had a CoC, 6 did not and 6 were consider or in a 
> > >> discussion to have a CoC.
> > >> 
> > >> Clifford
> > >> 
> > >> On Tue, Dec 8, 

Re: [Diversity-talk] Code of conduct

[Jo Walsh]

Not sure how to make suggestions directly in the Google Doc or if i want to. 

I appreciate and feel broadly its sentiments but do not feel prepared to sign 
anything which has as a preamble an attack on one person, whatever the trigger. 
It's not equitable, risks entrenching the division. Principles sound but keep 
it about how things should be in a better world, not about how broken they are 
in this one.


zx
-- 
  Jo Walsh
  metaz...@fastmail.net

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020, at 2:29 AM, arnalie faye vicario wrote:
> Hello/*Kumusta*,
> 
> *Salamat*/Thanks everyone for continuing the conversations and taking 
> this seriously.
> 
> It is good to speak up and comment about it in our individual 
> capacities, but a collective can build a fire  (charcoal comparison). 
> 
> This is what we did in OSM PH's Call to Correct Narratives About 
> Geospatial Work in the Philippines (re: Amazon-HOT video).  
> 
> 
> Also, I would like to quote and highlight what David Garcia 
> (@mapmakerdavid) has shared in Twitter:
> > It is not just the maps that matters. Who *makes* the maps matters. Who 
> > *tells* the stories of the mapping matters, too. Who *LEADS* the mapping 
> > and storytelling also matters. Who *gets powerful* due to the mapping and 
> > storytelling matters most.
> 
> Thank you Geochicas, Celine @mapeadora, Heather, Rebecca, Miriam 
> @mapanauta, Nelson Minar, LCCWG Group, OSMF past/present Board members 
> (Kate, Rory and Mikel), HOT Community WG and everyone who expressed 
> support and has spoken up (apologies if I missed your name). It is 
> really encouraging and inspiring. Please add your thoughts in the 
> document: 
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit
> 
> In case you missed it (like me), here is what Celine sent in the OSM 
> talk mailing list: 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085727.html.
> 
> Let us keep the fire burning!
> 
> =Arnalie
> 
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:54 AM Clifford Snow  wrote:
> > I should mention that what we, Maggie Crawely, Rob Nickerson and myself, 
> > want to accomplish is to create a committee to moderate the existing 
> > etiquette guidelines and later update the guidelines to reflect best 
> > practices of Code of Conducts.We planned to form a sub committee under the 
> > LCCWG since CoC is critical to Local Chapters. We did a survey of Local 
> > Chapters and those considering forming one. The results showed that 5 LC 
> > already had a CoC, 6 did not and 6 were consider or in a discussion to have 
> > a CoC.
> > 
> > Clifford
> > 
> > On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:36 PM Heather Leson  wrote:
> >> Always
> >> Heather Leson
> >> heatherle...@gmail.com
> >> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson 
> >> Blog: textontechs.com
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:31 PM Clifford Snow  
> >> wrote:
> >>> Heather - A small group of the LCCWG met via BigBlueButton yesterday to 
> >>> start a similar initiative. I was going to send an invite to the rest of 
> >>> the LCCWG as well as to this mailing list. Since you have the ball 
> >>> rolling, can you include lo...@osmfoundation.org in the mailing.
> >>> 
> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:22 PM Heather Leson  
> >>> wrote:
>  Great. working in the draft now.  
>  
>  Thank you right back. Saturday is just a way to discuss this restart. We 
>  can keep building. 
>  
>  Heather 
>  
>  Heather Leson
>  heatherle...@gmail.com
>  Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson 
>  Blog: textontechs.com
>  
>  
>  On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:10 PM Gertrude Namitala  
>  wrote:
> > Thanks Heather for starting this. I will try to be available.
> > 
> > Kind regards,
> > Trudy 
> > 
> > On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, 23:05 Mikel Maron,  wrote:
> >> This is great
> >> 
> >> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 03:55:49 PM EST, Heather Leson 
> >>  wrote: 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Great!   Editing now
> >> Hope we can have an initial chat
> >> 
> >> heather
> >> 
> >> Heather Leson
> >> heatherle...@gmail.com
> >> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson 
> >> Blog: textontechs.com
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 9:33 PM Rebecca Firth 
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Hi Heather,
> >> > 
> >> > Thanks for setting that up - I'll need to jig some things around but 
> >> > really hope to be able to join that meeting. Some people had already 
> >> > started working on a statement to share. I am sharing here for 
> >> > allies to add comments they would like to raise, and to identify 
> >> > people who are keen to move this work forward: 
> >> > 

Re: [Diversity-talk] Code of conduct

[tilmanreinecke--- via Diversity-talk]

Maybe I my message will be a kick-off of messages of negative energy or it will end up in a fruitful discussion (for me and maybe others too) - I don't know.My question: Do we really need a Code Of Conduct saying us how we should respect each other?This sounds stupid to me. You did explain me that people actually need a CoC but I certainly cannot believe this. Is our world so full of darkness and so little of colour? I certainly cannot believe this.Maybe it's me - a stupid 20 years old boy seeing this different - not getting the point but maybe it's the othere who are stupid and needing a CoC in order to know how to cope with different people from different kind (not in a racist saying but in a saying of natural diversity of human). Diversity is human and we don't need a CoC when we can see individuals as individuals. Individuals are always in groups but that shouldn't prevent us from seeing them a individuals.E.g. I see each woman as an individual but also as an woman (being in the group women). Or even better I see each mapper as an individual but also as an mapper (being in the group mappers).Simple saying I see an individual as an individual but also take the group into consideration. An individual is in more than one group and in certain situations we need to take more than just one group into consideration.Seriously don't get me wrong: I am for diversity and I know what human can achieve with diversity. I only believe that a CoC in a way you think of (as a set of rules of good respectful behaviour). Instead I think we should try to convey the Yggdrasil view of the world. Let us get them to see users as individuals and at the same time let us get them to take the different groups (worlds) into consideration.CheersSören Reinecke alias Valor Naram Original Message Subject: Re: [Diversity-talk] Code of conductFrom: Maggie Cawley To: diversity-talk CC: OSMF Local Chapters WG ,Gertrude Namitala ,Mikel Maron ,Rob Nickerson ,Community Working Group ,Miriam Mapanauta I am so happy to see this thread. I believe it will take all of us coming together and speaking with a unified voice to bring upon the change we need at the global level. As Clifford mentioned, a few of us from the LCCWG met on Monday to start talking about next steps. It's not about one statement, but rather that discussions and comments like those from this past week affect us all as we work to build diverse communities around the world.   Rob, Clifford and I discussed the need for a CoC, but when Rob pointed out the Etiquette Guidelines exist and are pretty widely accepted it seems like a logical place to start. It would also enable us to move a bit more quickly since the document exists and won't need many rounds of community feedback. What is missing is the process for moderation and a committee available to moderate any complaints on breaches of etiquette. It would be helpful to review and suggest edits to the existing guidelines during this process as well. For the US CoC it took about 8 months to finalize the CoC and moderation process, and find volunteers for a committee.I look forward to growing the conversation. Thanks Heather for starting this thread here and to all of you who are stepping forward!Maggie CawleyOn Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 21:30, arnalie faye vicario  wrote:Hello/Kumusta,Salamat/Thanks everyone for continuing the conversations and taking this seriously.It is good to speak up and comment about it in our individual capacities, but a collective can build a fire  (charcoal comparison). This is what we did in OSM PH's Call to Correct Narratives About Geospatial Work in the Philippines (re: Amazon-HOT video). Also, I would like to quote and highlight what David Garcia (@mapmakerdavid) has shared in Twitter:It is not just the maps that matters.
Who makes the maps matters.
Who tells the stories of the mapping matters, too.
Who LEADS the mapping and storytelling also matters.
Who gets powerful due to the mapping and storytelling matters most.Thank you Geochicas, Celine @mapeadora, Heather, Rebecca, Miriam @mapanauta, Nelson Minar, LCCWG Group, OSMF past/present Board members (Kate, Rory and Mikel), HOT Community WG and everyone who expressed support and has spoken up (apologies if I missed your name). It is really encouraging and inspiring. Please add your thoughts in the document: https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/editIn case you missed it (like me), here is what Celine sent in the OSM talk mailing list: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085727.html.Let us keep the fire burning!=ArnalieOn Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:54 AM Clifford Snow  wrote:I should mention that what we, Maggie Crawely, Rob Nickerson and myself, want to accomplish is to create a committee to moderate the existing etiquette guidelines and later update the guidelines to reflect best practices of Code of Conducts.We planned to form a 

Re: [Diversity-talk] [HOT Community WG] Re: Code of conduct

[Heather Leson]

Dear Diversity Mailing community and LCCWG  -  Thank you for these notes.

We are a collective who ask for your consideration and support:

*A Call to Take Action and Confront Systemic Offensive Behaviour in the OSM
Community. (1)*

Signatures and Translations are very welcome. Just let us know.

There will be an informal meeting on Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 1500
UTC (right before the AGM)

*Register to join please (2)
*

Thank you

On behalf of many signatories

*Footnotes:*
1. Sign our Statement about OSM Community

2. Join our informal diversity chat this saturday


On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 4:57 PM Maggie Cawley 
wrote:

> I am so happy to see this thread. I believe it will take all of us coming
> together and speaking with a unified voice to bring upon the change we need
> at the global level. As Clifford mentioned, a few of us from the LCCWG met
> on Monday to start talking about next steps. It's not about one statement,
> but rather that discussions and comments like those from this past week
> affect us all as we work to build diverse communities around the world.
>
> Rob, Clifford and I discussed the need for a CoC, but when Rob pointed out
> the Etiquette Guidelines exist and are pretty widely accepted it seems like
> a logical place to start. It would also enable us to move a bit more
> quickly since the document exists and won't need many rounds of community
> feedback. What is missing is the process for moderation and a committee
> available to moderate any complaints on breaches of etiquette. It would be
> helpful to review and suggest edits to the existing guidelines during this
> process as well. For the US CoC it took about 8 months to finalize the CoC
> and moderation process, and find volunteers for a committee.
>
> I look forward to growing the conversation. Thanks Heather for starting
> this thread here and to all of you who are stepping forward!
>
> Maggie Cawley
>
>
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 21:30, arnalie faye vicario 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello/*Kumusta*,
>>
>> *Salamat*/Thanks everyone for continuing the conversations and taking
>> this seriously.
>>
>> It is good to speak up and comment about it in our individual capacities,
>> but a collective can build a fire  (charcoal comparison).
>>
>> This is what we did in OSM PH's Call to Correct Narratives About
>> Geospatial Work in the Philippines (re: Amazon-HOT video).
>> 
>>
>> Also, I would like to quote and highlight what David Garcia
>> (@mapmakerdavid) has shared in Twitter:
>>
>>> It is not just the maps that matters. Who *makes* the maps matters. Who
>>> *tells* the stories of the mapping matters, too. Who *LEADS* the
>>> mapping and storytelling also matters. Who *gets powerful* due to the
>>> mapping and storytelling matters most.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you Geochicas, Celine @mapeadora, Heather, Rebecca, Miriam
>> @mapanauta, Nelson Minar, LCCWG Group, OSMF past/present Board members
>> (Kate, Rory and Mikel), HOT Community WG and everyone who expressed support
>> and has spoken up (apologies if I missed your name). It is really
>> encouraging and inspiring. Please add your thoughts in the document:
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit
>>
>> In case you missed it (like me), here is what Celine sent in the OSM talk
>> mailing list:
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085727.html.
>>
>> Let us keep the fire burning!
>>
>> =Arnalie
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:54 AM Clifford Snow 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I should mention that what we, Maggie Crawely, Rob Nickerson and myself,
>>> want to accomplish is to create a committee to moderate the existing
>>> etiquette guidelines and later update the guidelines to reflect best
>>> practices of Code of Conducts.We planned to form a sub committee under the
>>> LCCWG since CoC is critical to Local Chapters. We did a survey of Local
>>> Chapters and those considering forming one. The results showed that 5 LC
>>> already had a CoC, 6 did not and 6 were consider or in a discussion to have
>>> a CoC.
>>>
>>> Clifford
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:36 PM Heather Leson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Always
 Heather Leson
 heatherle...@gmail.com
 Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson
 Blog: textontechs.com


 On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:31 PM Clifford Snow 
 wrote:

> Heather - A small group of the LCCWG met via BigBlueButton yesterday
> to start a similar initiative. I was going to send an invite to the rest 
> of
> the LCCWG as well as to this mailing list. Since you 

Re: [Diversity-talk] Etiquette Guidelines bad | Re: Code of conduct

[Mikel Maron]

The etiquette guidelines have issues, but I’m not sure that’s one. If there was 
moderation and enforcement in place, than we wouldn’t need to call out 
publicly. Moderator could step in to do that. Prefer that way of handling it.

Mikel

On Wednesday, December 9, 2020, 11:33 AM, Rory McCann  
wrote:

Have any of yous read the Ettiquette Guidelines¹? They're rubbish.

Frederik broke them by publically calling Mike Migurski out, and for not 
assuming he was acting in good faith. *But* if anyone publishes something 
saying “What Frederik did was wrong” (like I (& others) did), then they are 
also breaking the Ettiquette Guidelines! That's a horrible outcome!

¹ https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette

On Wed, 9 Dec 2020, at 16:57, Maggie Cawley wrote:
> I am so happy to see this thread. I believe it will take all of us 
> coming together and speaking with a unified voice to bring upon the 
> change we need at the global level. As Clifford mentioned, a few of us 
> from the LCCWG met on Monday to start talking about next steps. It's 
> not about one statement, but rather that discussions and comments like 
> those from this past week affect us all as we work to build diverse 
> communities around the world.  
> 
> Rob, Clifford and I discussed the need for a CoC, but when Rob pointed 
> out the Etiquette Guidelines exist and are pretty widely accepted it 
> seems like a logical place to start. It would also enable us to move a 
> bit more quickly since the document exists and won't need many rounds 
> of community feedback. What is missing is the process for moderation 
> and a committee available to moderate any complaints on breaches of 
> etiquette. It would be helpful to review and suggest edits to the 
> existing guidelines during this process as well. For the US CoC it took 
> about 8 months to finalize the CoC and moderation process, and find 
> volunteers for a committee.
> 
> I look forward to growing the conversation. Thanks Heather for starting 
> this thread here and to all of you who are stepping forward!
> 
> Maggie Cawley
> 
> 
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 21:30, arnalie faye vicario  
> wrote:
> > Hello/*Kumusta*,
> > 
> > *Salamat*/Thanks everyone for continuing the conversations and taking this 
> > seriously.
> > 
> > It is good to speak up and comment about it in our individual capacities, 
> > but a collective can build a fire  (charcoal comparison). 
> > 
> > This is what we did in OSM PH's Call to Correct Narratives About Geospatial 
> > Work in the Philippines (re: Amazon-HOT video).  
> > 
> > 
> > Also, I would like to quote and highlight what David Garcia 
> > (@mapmakerdavid) has shared in Twitter:
> >> It is not just the maps that matters. Who *makes* the maps matters. Who 
> >> *tells* the stories of the mapping matters, too. Who *LEADS* the mapping 
> >> and storytelling also matters. Who *gets powerful* due to the mapping and 
> >> storytelling matters most.
> > 
> > Thank you Geochicas, Celine @mapeadora, Heather, Rebecca, Miriam 
> > @mapanauta, Nelson Minar, LCCWG Group, OSMF past/present Board members 
> > (Kate, Rory and Mikel), HOT Community WG and everyone who expressed support 
> > and has spoken up (apologies if I missed your name). It is really 
> > encouraging and inspiring. Please add your thoughts in the document: 
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit
> > 
> > In case you missed it (like me), here is what Celine sent in the OSM talk 
> > mailing list: 
> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085727.html.
> > 
> > Let us keep the fire burning!
> > 
> > =Arnalie
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:54 AM Clifford Snow  
> > wrote:
> >> I should mention that what we, Maggie Crawely, Rob Nickerson and myself, 
> >> want to accomplish is to create a committee to moderate the existing 
> >> etiquette guidelines and later update the guidelines to reflect best 
> >> practices of Code of Conducts.We planned to form a sub committee under the 
> >> LCCWG since CoC is critical to Local Chapters. We did a survey of Local 
> >> Chapters and those considering forming one. The results showed that 5 LC 
> >> already had a CoC, 6 did not and 6 were consider or in a discussion to 
> >> have a CoC.
> >> 
> >> Clifford
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:36 PM Heather Leson  
> >> wrote:
> >>> Always
> >>> Heather Leson
> >>> heatherle...@gmail.com
> >>> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson 
> >>> Blog: textontechs.com
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:31 PM Clifford Snow  
> >>> wrote:
>  Heather - A small group of the LCCWG met via BigBlueButton yesterday to 
>  start a similar initiative. I was going to send an invite to the rest of 
>  the LCCWG as well as to this mailing list. Since you have the ball 
>  rolling, can you include lo...@osmfoundation.org in the mailing.
>  
>  On 

[Diversity-talk] Etiquette Guidelines bad | Re: Code of conduct

[Rory McCann]

Have any of yous read the Ettiquette Guidelines¹? They're rubbish.

Frederik broke them by publically calling Mike Migurski out, and for not 
assuming he was acting in good faith. *But* if anyone publishes something 
saying “What Frederik did was wrong” (like I (& others) did), then they are 
also breaking the Ettiquette Guidelines! That's a horrible outcome!

¹ https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Etiquette

On Wed, 9 Dec 2020, at 16:57, Maggie Cawley wrote:
> I am so happy to see this thread. I believe it will take all of us 
> coming together and speaking with a unified voice to bring upon the 
> change we need at the global level. As Clifford mentioned, a few of us 
> from the LCCWG met on Monday to start talking about next steps. It's 
> not about one statement, but rather that discussions and comments like 
> those from this past week affect us all as we work to build diverse 
> communities around the world.   
> 
> Rob, Clifford and I discussed the need for a CoC, but when Rob pointed 
> out the Etiquette Guidelines exist and are pretty widely accepted it 
> seems like a logical place to start. It would also enable us to move a 
> bit more quickly since the document exists and won't need many rounds 
> of community feedback. What is missing is the process for moderation 
> and a committee available to moderate any complaints on breaches of 
> etiquette. It would be helpful to review and suggest edits to the 
> existing guidelines during this process as well. For the US CoC it took 
> about 8 months to finalize the CoC and moderation process, and find 
> volunteers for a committee.
> 
> I look forward to growing the conversation. Thanks Heather for starting 
> this thread here and to all of you who are stepping forward!
> 
> Maggie Cawley
> 
> 
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 21:30, arnalie faye vicario  
> wrote:
> > Hello/*Kumusta*,
> > 
> > *Salamat*/Thanks everyone for continuing the conversations and taking this 
> > seriously.
> > 
> > It is good to speak up and comment about it in our individual capacities, 
> > but a collective can build a fire  (charcoal comparison). 
> > 
> > This is what we did in OSM PH's Call to Correct Narratives About Geospatial 
> > Work in the Philippines (re: Amazon-HOT video).  
> > 
> > 
> > Also, I would like to quote and highlight what David Garcia 
> > (@mapmakerdavid) has shared in Twitter:
> >> It is not just the maps that matters. Who *makes* the maps matters. Who 
> >> *tells* the stories of the mapping matters, too. Who *LEADS* the mapping 
> >> and storytelling also matters. Who *gets powerful* due to the mapping and 
> >> storytelling matters most.
> > 
> > Thank you Geochicas, Celine @mapeadora, Heather, Rebecca, Miriam 
> > @mapanauta, Nelson Minar, LCCWG Group, OSMF past/present Board members 
> > (Kate, Rory and Mikel), HOT Community WG and everyone who expressed support 
> > and has spoken up (apologies if I missed your name). It is really 
> > encouraging and inspiring. Please add your thoughts in the document: 
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit
> > 
> > In case you missed it (like me), here is what Celine sent in the OSM talk 
> > mailing list: 
> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085727.html.
> > 
> > Let us keep the fire burning!
> > 
> > =Arnalie
> > 
> > On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:54 AM Clifford Snow  
> > wrote:
> >> I should mention that what we, Maggie Crawely, Rob Nickerson and myself, 
> >> want to accomplish is to create a committee to moderate the existing 
> >> etiquette guidelines and later update the guidelines to reflect best 
> >> practices of Code of Conducts.We planned to form a sub committee under the 
> >> LCCWG since CoC is critical to Local Chapters. We did a survey of Local 
> >> Chapters and those considering forming one. The results showed that 5 LC 
> >> already had a CoC, 6 did not and 6 were consider or in a discussion to 
> >> have a CoC.
> >> 
> >> Clifford
> >> 
> >> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:36 PM Heather Leson  
> >> wrote:
> >>> Always
> >>> Heather Leson
> >>> heatherle...@gmail.com
> >>> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson 
> >>> Blog: textontechs.com
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:31 PM Clifford Snow  
> >>> wrote:
>  Heather - A small group of the LCCWG met via BigBlueButton yesterday to 
>  start a similar initiative. I was going to send an invite to the rest of 
>  the LCCWG as well as to this mailing list. Since you have the ball 
>  rolling, can you include lo...@osmfoundation.org in the mailing.
>  
>  On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:22 PM Heather Leson  
>  wrote:
> > Great. working in the draft now.  
> > 
> > Thank you right back. Saturday is just a way to discuss this restart. 
> > We can keep building. 
> > 
> > Heather 
> > 
> > Heather Leson
> > 

Re: [Diversity-talk] Code of conduct

[Maggie Cawley]

I am so happy to see this thread. I believe it will take all of us coming
together and speaking with a unified voice to bring upon the change we need
at the global level. As Clifford mentioned, a few of us from the LCCWG met
on Monday to start talking about next steps. It's not about one statement,
but rather that discussions and comments like those from this past week
affect us all as we work to build diverse communities around the world.

Rob, Clifford and I discussed the need for a CoC, but when Rob pointed out
the Etiquette Guidelines exist and are pretty widely accepted it seems like
a logical place to start. It would also enable us to move a bit more
quickly since the document exists and won't need many rounds of community
feedback. What is missing is the process for moderation and a committee
available to moderate any complaints on breaches of etiquette. It would be
helpful to review and suggest edits to the existing guidelines during this
process as well. For the US CoC it took about 8 months to finalize the CoC
and moderation process, and find volunteers for a committee.

I look forward to growing the conversation. Thanks Heather for starting
this thread here and to all of you who are stepping forward!

Maggie Cawley


On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 at 21:30, arnalie faye vicario 
wrote:

> Hello/*Kumusta*,
>
> *Salamat*/Thanks everyone for continuing the conversations and taking
> this seriously.
>
> It is good to speak up and comment about it in our individual capacities,
> but a collective can build a fire  (charcoal comparison).
>
> This is what we did in OSM PH's Call to Correct Narratives About
> Geospatial Work in the Philippines (re: Amazon-HOT video).
> 
>
> Also, I would like to quote and highlight what David Garcia
> (@mapmakerdavid) has shared in Twitter:
>
>> It is not just the maps that matters. Who *makes* the maps matters. Who
>> *tells* the stories of the mapping matters, too. Who *LEADS* the mapping
>> and storytelling also matters. Who *gets powerful* due to the mapping
>> and storytelling matters most.
>>
>
> Thank you Geochicas, Celine @mapeadora, Heather, Rebecca, Miriam
> @mapanauta, Nelson Minar, LCCWG Group, OSMF past/present Board members
> (Kate, Rory and Mikel), HOT Community WG and everyone who expressed support
> and has spoken up (apologies if I missed your name). It is really
> encouraging and inspiring. Please add your thoughts in the document:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/130JCTX9ve4H4ORXznmIVTpXiN3TX8nRGA8ayuTZ9ECI/edit
>
> In case you missed it (like me), here is what Celine sent in the OSM talk
> mailing list:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2020-December/085727.html.
>
> Let us keep the fire burning!
>
> =Arnalie
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 5:54 AM Clifford Snow 
> wrote:
>
>> I should mention that what we, Maggie Crawely, Rob Nickerson and myself,
>> want to accomplish is to create a committee to moderate the existing
>> etiquette guidelines and later update the guidelines to reflect best
>> practices of Code of Conducts.We planned to form a sub committee under the
>> LCCWG since CoC is critical to Local Chapters. We did a survey of Local
>> Chapters and those considering forming one. The results showed that 5 LC
>> already had a CoC, 6 did not and 6 were consider or in a discussion to have
>> a CoC.
>>
>> Clifford
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:36 PM Heather Leson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Always
>>> Heather Leson
>>> heatherle...@gmail.com
>>> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson
>>> Blog: textontechs.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:31 PM Clifford Snow 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Heather - A small group of the LCCWG met via BigBlueButton yesterday to
 start a similar initiative. I was going to send an invite to the rest of
 the LCCWG as well as to this mailing list. Since you have the ball rolling,
 can you include lo...@osmfoundation.org in the mailing.

 On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 1:22 PM Heather Leson 
 wrote:

> Great. working in the draft now.
>
> Thank you right back. Saturday is just a way to discuss this restart.
> We can keep building.
>
> Heather
>
> Heather Leson
> heatherle...@gmail.com
> Twitter/skype: HeatherLeson
> Blog: textontechs.com
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:10 PM Gertrude Namitala <
> trudyho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Heather for starting this. I will try to be available.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Trudy
>>
>> On Tue, 8 Dec 2020, 23:05 Mikel Maron,  wrote:
>>
>>> This is great
>>>
>>> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 8, 2020, 03:55:49 PM EST, Heather Leson <
>>> heatherle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Great!   Editing now
>>> Hope we can have an initial chat
>>>