Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps The World

2018-03-20 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/18/2018 3:23 PM, Charlotte Wolter wrote: Paul, A kindergarten is a school, not a child-care center. They are two fundamentally different things. Also, child-care centers serve a range of ages, not just 5-year-olds. I, too, tried to find a real child-care tag a few months ago. There is

Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps The World

2018-03-19 Thread Rory McCann
On 19/03/18 16:18, Philip Barnes wrote: Baby hatch sounds a horrible tag, sounds mechanical uncaring and impersonal. I assume it means a maternity ward? They're literally hatches for babies ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_hatch ). They're in some countries, and are attached to maternity

Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps The World

2018-03-19 Thread Nick Doty
On Mar 19, 2018, at 3:18 PM, Philip Barnes wrote: > > Baby hatch sounds a horrible tag, sounds mechanical uncaring and impersonal. > I assume it means a maternity ward? As described in the tag documentation, a "baby hatch" is not a maternity ward, but a very specific

Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps The World

2018-03-19 Thread Marc Gemis
> Baby hatch sounds a horrible tag, sounds mechanical uncaring and impersonal. > I assume it means a maternity ward? It's called "vondelingenschuif" or "vondelingenluik" in Dutch, and the exist nowadays: http://www.vondelingenluik.be/ It can be used by women that want to give away their babies

Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps The World

2018-03-19 Thread Philip Barnes
The health care functions you mentioned there are things that would not be mapped as standalone functions in my experience. They are functions that exist as part of the general healthcare, most will exist within the local hospital although some will be provided locally in the local surgery

Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps The World

2018-03-19 Thread Selene Yang
Here are so many examples about tagging for women related things: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_in_Support_of_Women_and_Girls, I don't know if you've seen this before. best, S. 2018-03-19 8:42 GMT-06:00 Marc Gemis : > > > > So do we want to propose

Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps The World

2018-03-19 Thread Rory McCann
Hi Charlotte, What about amenity=childcare? There are ~12,000 of them mapped in OSM. Or are you thinking of something else? (I think) it's been part of iD's presets for about 5 years[1]. It's not (yet) in JOSM's presets I think. I initially wondered if "kindergarten" in Germany was the same

Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps the World

2018-03-19 Thread Marc Gemis
Rory, I did not want to say that some objects are not gendered in some countries, I'm sorry for not making that clear. I wanted to point out is that "because object X is gendered in a country, it is gendered in every country" is wrong. So any statistics that count the number of objects X on a

Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps the World

2018-03-19 Thread Rory McCann
Hi Marc, Unfortunately a lot of things are gendered, and often it's not logical. So when someone say "In my home ($COUNTRY), $THING is gendered for $GENDER", you basically have to just take their word for it, even if it doesn't make logical sense for you. So people can't really answer "Why?"

Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps The World

2018-03-19 Thread Rory McCann
Hi all, There's a lot to be said about those in power choosing the map. This article points out a lot of the good work HOT is doing to get women involved, but this article has the same false sound bites about how OSM works. That gender imbalance provokes serious debate among mapmakers—one of

Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps The World

2018-03-19 Thread Charlotte Wolter
Paul, A kindergarten is a school, not a child-care center. They are two fundamentally different things. Also, child-care centers serve a range of ages, not just 5-year-olds. I, too, tried to find a real child-care tag a few months ago. There is none, and "kindergarten" doesn't cut

Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps the World

2018-03-16 Thread Marc Gemis
Hallo, I will not dispute the numbers in this article, but I do have some questions on the data behind the numbers. - Why is a bar considered a men-only place ? Can't it be a trendy place for all kinds young people to enjoy a good night out ? I have seen pubs mentioned in previous articles as

Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps The World

2018-03-15 Thread Paul Norman
On 3/14/2018 6:47 PM, alyssa wright wrote: Hi all, City Lab article below on gender disparity in OSM. I actually think things have evolved and are more nuanced then ever before. Wondering if I am being naive. Yes - part of the thesis of the article is based around the claims of what gets

[Diversity-talk] Who Maps the World

2018-03-15 Thread Mikel Maron
https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/03/who-maps-the-world/555272/ * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron___ Diversity-talk mailing list Code of Conduct: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Diversity/MailingList/CodeOfConduct Contact the mods

Re: [Diversity-talk] Who Maps The World

2018-03-15 Thread Heather Leson
Thanks for sharing Alyssa. Rachel and allies, this is a great piece. It would be great to share on the main list. I would be happy to do so and share in the discussion. I'll share here. https://www.facebook.com/OpenStreetMap/?ref=br_rs Thanks for all your leadership. Step by step Heather

[Diversity-talk] Who Maps The World

2018-03-14 Thread alyssa wright
Hi all, City Lab article below on gender disparity in OSM. I actually think things have evolved and are more nuanced then ever before. Wondering if I am being naive. https://www.citylab.com/equity/2018/03/who-maps-the-world/555272/ A map only reveals as much as the mapmaker knows about the