Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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#28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies
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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  Nick Pope
 Type:   |   Status:  assigned
  Cleanup/optimization   |
Component:  Packaging|  Version:  dev
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  setup optional   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
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Comment (by Nick Pope):

 Hi Natalia. Sorry for the delay getting back to you. I'll dust off what I
 had and see where things stand - certainly things could be simplified and
 dependency stuff is scattered, in particular from a documentation PoV.
 Some of my ongoing work toward refreshing `django-docker-box` has exposed
 some areas that are particularly non obvious.

 Thanks, Claude. I'll review that PR. It feels like it is time to
 reconsider the more complete migration to `pyproject.toml` in light of the
 `distutils` removal, deprecation of support for calling `setup.py`
 directly, and stabilisation of support for `pyproject.toml` in most
 tooling including `setuptools`.
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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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#28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies
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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  Nick Pope
 Type:   |   Status:  assigned
  Cleanup/optimization   |
Component:  Packaging|  Version:  dev
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  setup optional   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
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Comment (by Claude Paroz):

 FWIW, I just pushed a commit I had prepare some times ago as a
 [https://github.com/django/django/pull/17806 PR],  which moves content of
 `setup.*` to `pyproject.toml`. I don't know if that changes anything in
 the game…
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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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#28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies
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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  Nick Pope
 Type:   |   Status:  assigned
  Cleanup/optimization   |
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 Keywords:  setup optional   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
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Changes (by Natalia Bidart):

 * cc: Nick Pope (added)

Comment:

 Nick, do you see any value in trying to resurface/push this? I have been
 recently asking about dependency management following a crusade to pin
 `black` to `23.12.1` for `stable/4.2.x`
 ([https://github.com/django/django/pull/17781 PR #17781] and
 [https://github.com/django/django/pull/17793 PR #17793]), so I wondered if
 there would be a way to define deps (and versions) in a single place to be
 useful for all GitHub Actions, docs building, pre-commit hooks and
 tests/tox definitions.
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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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#28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies
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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  Nick Pope
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 * easy:  1 => 0


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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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#28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies
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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  Nick Pope
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Changes (by Nick Pope):

 * owner:  Rishabh Arya => Nick Pope


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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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#28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies
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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  Rishabh
 Type:   |  Arya
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
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 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
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Comment (by Manav Agarwal):

 Can I claim this? I think I can move it forward.

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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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#28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies
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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  Rishabh
 Type:   |  Arya
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
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Changes (by Rishabh Arya):

 * owner:  Nick Pope => Rishabh Arya


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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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#28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies
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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  Nick Pope
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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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#28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies
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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  Nick Pope
 Type:   |   Status:  assigned
  Cleanup/optimization   |
Component:  Packaging|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  setup optional   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
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Comment (by Nick Pope):

 Thanks for the feedback, please see responses below.

 > ... It would be nice if the overview of optional dependencies could link
 to the relevant sections in the docs. E.g. caching, databases, GIS,
 password hashers, template engines, serializers etc.
 Agreed. Will add in links to useful sections in the documentation.

 > ... For this reason I think it's probably not the right choice to name
 groups directly after the package they are installing (`pylibmc`,
 `pyinotify`, `selenium` etc.).
 >
 > Maybe it would be easier to just start out with just adding the database
 extra's? ...
 I still feel that adding support for some of the packages other than
 database backends would be very useful. There should at the very least be
 an easy option to install all non-database backend packages, particularly
 useful for removing `tests/requirements/*.txt`.

 > It might also be interesting to figure out how to "deprecate" extra
 requirement groups, so at some point it would be possible to phase out the
 `bcrypt` or `argon2` extra requirements.
 I'm not sure it is possible to "deprecate" - in fact it doesn't really
 make sense - a package must be available during a deprecation period.
 However, when the package is removed, the group must either remain empty
 in `extra_requires` or be removed entirely if documented in the release
 notes.

 > I was also thinking, extra requirements would also be a nice place to
 include other "official" Django projects. E.g. `pip install
 django[mysql,localflavor,comments]` or `pip install
 django[postgresql,channels]`.
 I think it best to leave these out of the `extra_requires` option, but
 perhaps document them on the optional dependencies page along with a link
 to other [https://pypi.org/search/?q===Framework+%3A%3A+Django django-
 related projects].

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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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#28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies
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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  Nick Pope
 Type:   |   Status:  assigned
  Cleanup/optimization   |
Component:  Packaging|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  setup optional   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
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Comment (by Jaap Roes):

 Thanks Nick for taking this ticket and trying to move it forwards.

 The additional documentation about optional dependencies makes so much
 sense, it alone would satisfy some of the discoverability issues with
 optional dependencies. It would be nice if the overview of optional
 dependencies could link to the relevant sections in the docs. E.g.
 caching, databases, GIS, password hashers, template engines, serializers
 etc.

 The grouping/inclusion of dependencies seems to be the main stumbling
 block. Adding `extra_requires` groups adds a maintenance burden on these
 groups, as in, they'll need to work for future versions of Django. For
 this reason I think it's probably not the right choice to name groups
 directly after the package they are installing (`pylibmc`, `pyinotify`,
 `selenium` etc.).

 Maybe it would be easier to just start out with just adding the database
 extra's? Those seem non-controversial and the package names and version
 specs are non-obvious, so having those in Django's `setup.py` has a clear
 advantage.

 It might also be interesting to figure out how to "deprecate" extra
 requirement groups, so at some point it would be possible to phase out the
 `bcrypt` or `argon2` extra requirements.

 I was also thinking, extra requirements would also be a nice place to
 include other "official" Django projects. E.g. `pip install
 django[mysql,localflavor,comments]` or `pip install
 django[postgresql,channels]`.

 Anyway, I don't think this ticket will go anywhere until someone with a
 more authoritative voice makes a decision what's wanted and unwanted.

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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  Nick Pope
 Type:   |   Status:  assigned
  Cleanup/optimization   |
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 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  setup optional   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
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Changes (by Nick Pope):

 * owner:  Niranj Rajasekaran => Nick Pope
 * needs_docs:  1 => 0


Comment:

 New [https://github.com/django/django/pull/10663 PR].

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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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Comment (by Jaap Roes):

 I just discovered another optional dependency, on Linux one can install
 `pyinotify` for better reloading behaviour
 (https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/django-admin/#runserver).

 So maybe adding `{'dev': ['pyinotify ; sys_platform == "linux"']}` would
 be helpful as well.

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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  Niranj
 Type:   |  Rajasekaran
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Changes (by Niranj Rajasekaran):

 * status:  new => assigned
 * owner:  (none) => Niranj Rajasekaran


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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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Comment (by Jaap Roes):

 Yes please claim it, it would be really helpful to, for example, identify
 pieces of documentation that should be updated when this lands.

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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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Comment (by Israel Fermín Montilla):

 Can I claim it?, I have some spare time I could invest on this

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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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Changes (by oliver):

 * owner:  nobody => oliver
 * status:  new => assigned


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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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#28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies
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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  nobody
 Type:   |   Status:  new
  Cleanup/optimization   |
Component:  Packaging|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  setup optional   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  dependencies packages  |
  requirements   |
Has patch:  1|  Needs documentation:  1
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  1|UI/UX:  0
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Changes (by Jaap Roes):

 * easy:  0 => 1


Comment:

 I don't have the time/energy to get this done, but I feel that this would
 be an excellent, and fairly easy, ticket for someone to work on during the
 Djangocon sprints

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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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#28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies
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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  nobody
 Type:   |   Status:  new
  Cleanup/optimization   |
Component:  Packaging|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  setup optional   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  dependencies packages  |
  requirements   |
Has patch:  1|  Needs documentation:  1
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Changes (by Carlton Gibson):

 * needs_docs:  0 => 1


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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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#28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies
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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  nobody
 Type:   |   Status:  new
  Cleanup/optimization   |
Component:  Packaging|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  setup optional   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  dependencies packages  |
  requirements   |
Has patch:  1|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by Carlton Gibson):

 Related #27682

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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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#28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies
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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  nobody
 Type:   |   Status:  new
  Cleanup/optimization   |
Component:  Packaging|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  setup optional   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  dependencies packages  |
  requirements   |
Has patch:  1|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by Jaap Roes):

 I have no idea where to go from here. I assume posting this to the
 developer mailinglist is the best way to gather feedback on this and come
 to a consensus of which packages and groupings.

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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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#28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies
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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  nobody
 Type:   |   Status:  new
  Cleanup/optimization   |
Component:  Packaging|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  setup optional   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  dependencies packages  |
  requirements   |
Has patch:  1|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Changes (by Sergey Fedoseev):

 * has_patch:  0 => 1
 * stage:  Unreviewed => Accepted


Comment:

 [https://github.com/django/django/pull/9440 PR]

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Re: [Django] #28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies

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#28905: Overhaul extra_requires to include more optional dependencies
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 Reporter:  Jaap Roes|Owner:  nobody
 Type:   |   Status:  new
  Cleanup/optimization   |
Component:  Packaging|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  setup optional   | Triage Stage:
  dependencies packages  |  Unreviewed
  requirements   |
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Changes (by Jaap Roes):

 * component:  Uncategorized => Packaging


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