Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-03 Thread ashdesigner
Pete, Thank you for your advice, and considering our rather long discussion I already think now that Win+Apache+MSSQL is the best way out for us indeed. Both for performance and support matters. Anthony On Dec 3, 4:57 pm, CrabbyPete wrote: > Windows is a great platform to work on. There are loa

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-03 Thread ashdesigner
Matt, Thank you so much for your posting. My initial question was indeed about both the webserver AND the database, but I believe you're the first who commented on the latter. I am already aware about the Django + MSSQL issue, but compared to the Django+IIS, there are stable solutions that run sol

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-03 Thread Matt Conrad
I notice that the conversation is mostly about IIS vs Apache. You'll also want to think about the database. Django doesn't have built in support for MSSQL. You could run Postgres or MySQL on Windows, or there are some adapters for Django that will let it talk to SQL Server. Either way, you'll prob

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-03 Thread CrabbyPete
Windows is a great platform to work on. There are loads of tools and support for Windows. The issue is not Windows vs Linux the issue is Apache ( which works great on Windows ) v IIS. If your admin is wants to use Windows by all means stick with it, and just install Apache. I developed on Windows a

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-03 Thread ashdesigner
Ok, I see. Happily, this is not the case with us. We've discussed the issue with the crew, and our decision is that most likely we'll deploy on Win+Apache. Hope there won't be any considerable development limitations due to the use of the Windows Server OS. Thank you a lot! Regards, Anthony On D

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-03 Thread Javier Guerra Giraldez
On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 4:04 AM, ashdesigner wrote: > Frankly, I just don't quite get the #3 option. Do you mean switching > to *nix would entail considerable support/management issues? If so, > why *nix - native to Django - as you say, could be a limitation to the > framework? Is this what you mea

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-03 Thread ashdesigner
Javier, Frankly, I just don't quite get the #3 option. Do you mean switching to *nix would entail considerable support/management issues? If so, why *nix - native to Django - as you say, could be a limitation to the framework? Is this what you mean? Anthony On Dec 2, 7:23 pm, Javier Guerra Giral

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-02 Thread Javier Guerra Giraldez
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:57 AM, ashdesigner wrote: > browsing through techy blogs I often saw FastCGI mentioned as someway 'slow', > 'deprecated', you're reading the wrong blogs > 'IIS7-incompatible' that might be true, i have no idea. a big reason to stay far from IIS unfortunately, i've ju

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-02 Thread ashdesigner
Guys, Again, the issue is just as follows: 1. Windows + IIS only(!). 2. Win/*nix + whatever else. Our employed admins can administer IIS only. Which means, having to deal with any other webserver (different from IIS) unbinds us from using a Win platform at all. Anthony On Dec 2, 6:33 pm, Javie

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-02 Thread ashdesigner
Javier, As a beginner, I don't have any own experience to judge, but browsing through techy blogs I often saw FastCGI mentioned as someway 'slow', 'deprecated', 'IIS7-incompatible', etc. Maybe I am wrong, but using PyISAPIe was described as 'much much faster'. You see, performance matters signific

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-02 Thread ashdesigner
Lloyd, Yes, correct. To us it is purely a webserver (IIS) issue. Anthony On Dec 2, 6:29 pm, Sithembewena Lloyd Dube wrote: > True, Javier. But the issue isn't whether or not Django + Python can run > smooth on Windows - it is a web server problem? Specifically IIS? > > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-02 Thread ashdesigner
Lloyd, Yes, correct. It is purely a webserver (IIS) issue. Anthony On Dec 2, 6:29 pm, Sithembewena Lloyd Dube wrote: > True, Javier. But the issue isn't whether or not Django + Python can run > smooth on Windows - it is a web server problem? Specifically IIS? > > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:25 PM,

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-02 Thread Javier Guerra Giraldez
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Sithembewena Lloyd Dube wrote: > it is a web server problem? Specifically IIS? if IIS can do FastCGI (and it should!) you can do django with flup if IIS can proxy HTTP (and it would be weird if it doesnt), you can do Django with gunicorn/tornado or, you can ditc

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-02 Thread ashdesigner
Javier, Under "hack approach" I meant PyISAPIe + IIS (wich is weird by itself, but still). Anthony On Dec 2, 6:25 pm, Javier Guerra Giraldez wrote: > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:05 AM, ashdesigner > wrote: > > not to use Python/Django > > +IIS+Windows because of lack of support and tools immatu

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-02 Thread Sithembewena Lloyd Dube
True, Javier. But the issue isn't whether or not Django + Python can run smooth on Windows - it is a web server problem? Specifically IIS? On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Javier Guerra Giraldez wrote: > On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:05 AM, ashdesigner > wrote: > > not to use Python/Django > > +IIS+W

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-02 Thread Javier Guerra Giraldez
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 10:05 AM, ashdesigner wrote: > not to use Python/Django > +IIS+Windows because of lack of support and tools immaturity ("hack" > approach). not at all. there are lots of goods reasons to go the *nix route (be it Linux, BSD, Solaris, etc). but Django does work anywhere Py

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-02 Thread Sithembewena Lloyd Dube
Correct :) On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 5:05 PM, ashdesigner wrote: > > I thank you all so much for the really valuable pieces of advice. All > > in all, the underscore seems to be as follows: not to use Python/Django > > +IIS+Windows because of lack of support and tools immaturity ("hack" > > approach

Re: Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-02 Thread ashdesigner
I thank you all so much for the really valuable pieces of advice. All in all, the underscore seems to be as follows: not to use Python/Django +IIS+Windows because of lack of support and tools immaturity ("hack" approach). One'd better deploy on Win/Unix + Apache, am I right? On Dec 2, 5:39 pm, Jav

Fwd: Django in production on Windows

2010-12-02 Thread Javier Guerra Giraldez
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 9:22 AM, ashdesigner wrote: > maybe I just don't get the point. i guess the point is that nobody likes IIS, so there's no development specific for that platform -- Javier -- Javier -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django