Re: Need Django Help Again.

2015-07-22 Thread Bill Freeman
Unless it has changed, the tutorial at docs.djangoproject.com shows
creation of an app, use of templates, forms, etc.  All the building blocks
for the back end (which is what django is).  Those are the skills that have
been the base of several sites that I've built.  If your site wants to have
other features, like text search, or social auth, or blogs, or shopping
carts, there are add on apps for those things that you can find with
google, and which typically have reasonable example usage in their
documentation.  (That's not to say that you won't choose home grown over
some of them, if you needs are a bit different.)

The real trick is knowing what you want to do.  A toy site that you create
as a "learning exercise" is probably going to feel like a toy (like those
things they have you write in a collage level CS class).  If you have
something that you want to put before the world, you will figure out how to
make it feel sharper.  Having a real project in mind is, as always, the
hard part.

And, as mentioned, django is just the server side.  You need to understand
HTML, CSS, and, probably JavaScript and some of its frameworks, like jQuery
or D3.  Unless your project is non-browser, in which case you need to
understand HTTP anyway, and maybe Rest, and probably still HTML (since
that's what the request chain expects.

So, I'd suggest finishing the official tutorial, if you haven't already.
Then look at some add-ons like a blog, a CMS, or a shopping cart, mostly to
see how to add a third party app and configure it.  Then perhaps you'll
have though of something that you want to build for yourself.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Steve Burrus 
wrote:

> say do yoiu know of a handy series of tutorials I can use to actually do
> something in Django beyond merely connecting to the server and maybe
> configuring the admin? I am getting tired of just connecting to the server
> and then "calling it a day" if you know what I mean.
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>> That's actually a virtualenv mistake, rather than a django mistake.
>> Whenever things don't behave in a VE try "pip freeze" to see if things are
>> as you expect.
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>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Steve Burrus 
>> wrote:
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>>> *Okay it's a case of "my bad". I got it gpoing. I had just forgotten to
>>> do this command : "pip install django" in the "burrus" virtual environment
>>> inst ance! I still have the shakiest knowledge of django in general so
>>> little mistakes like this I am gonna have a little while longer.*
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>>> *On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Bill Freeman >> > wrote:*
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 *I presume that you have actually checked for a django-admin.py file in
 the Scripts directory?*


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> startproject me" and Bill's suggestion opf  "python django-admin.py
> startproject me" but both haVE failed! I'll try Bill's other suggestion of
> the forward slashes but I doubt it will work.On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:51
> AM, Steve Burrus >
> wrote:well tom tjhanx for your  attempted help but it still didn't work
> after I took care of that space after "\Scripts\"!  here is my error
> message now : "python: can't open file '.\Scripts\django-admin.py': [Errno
> 2] No such file or directory".On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Tom
> Lockhart > wrote:On Jul
> 22, 2015, at 09:11, Steve Burrus  > wrote:I find myself in ned of help yet again w.
> django. Just to say parenthetically I have had this problem before. just
> what am I doing wrong with the command "python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py
> startproject me" to consistently get this error message! Thanx to anyone
> who helps me.   "C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>.\Scripts\activate(burrus)
> C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py
> startproject meC:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus\Scripts\python.exe: can't
> find '__main__' module in '.\\Scripts\\’"You seem to have a space after 
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Re: Need Django Help Again.

2015-07-22 Thread Steve Burrus
say do yoiu know of a handy series of tutorials I can use to actually do
something in Django beyond merely connecting to the server and maybe
configuring the admin? I am getting tired of just connecting to the server
and then "calling it a day" if you know what I mean.



On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Bill Freeman  wrote:

> That's actually a virtualenv mistake, rather than a django mistake.
> Whenever things don't behave in a VE try "pip freeze" to see if things are
> as you expect.
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> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Steve Burrus 
> wrote:
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>> *Okay it's a case of "my bad". I got it gpoing. I had just forgotten to
>> do this command : "pip install django" in the "burrus" virtual environment
>> inst ance! I still have the shakiest knowledge of django in general so
>> little mistakes like this I am gonna have a little while longer.*
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>> *On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Bill Freeman > > wrote:*
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>>> *I presume that you have actually checked for a django-admin.py file in
>>> the Scripts directory?*
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>>> *On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Steve Burrus >> > wrote:*
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 startproject me" but both haVE failed! I'll try Bill's other suggestion of
 the forward slashes but I doubt it will work.On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:51
 AM, Steve Burrus >
 wrote:well tom tjhanx for your  attempted help but it still didn't work
 after I took care of that space after "\Scripts\"!  here is my error
 message now : "python: can't open file '.\Scripts\django-admin.py': [Errno
 2] No such file or directory".On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Tom
 Lockhart > wrote:On Jul
 22, 2015, at 09:11, Steve Burrus > wrote:I find myself in ned of help yet again w.
 django. Just to say parenthetically I have had this problem before. just
 what am I doing wrong with the command "python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py
 startproject me" to consistently get this error message! Thanx to anyone
 who helps me.   "C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>.\Scripts\activate(burrus)
 C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py
 startproject meC:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus\Scripts\python.exe: can't
 find '__main__' module in '.\\Scripts\\’"You seem to have a space after the
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Re: Need Django Help Again.

2015-07-22 Thread Bill Freeman
That's actually a virtualenv mistake, rather than a django mistake.
Whenever things don't behave in a VE try "pip freeze" to see if things are
as you expect.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Steve Burrus 
wrote:

> *Okay it's a case of "my bad". I got it gpoing. I had just forgotten to do
> this command : "pip install django" in the "burrus" virtual environment
> inst ance! I still have the shakiest knowledge of django in general so
> little mistakes like this I am gonna have a little while longer.*
>
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> *On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Bill Freeman  > wrote:*
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>> the Scripts directory?*
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>>> *well I haVE tried both this "python .\Scripts\django-admin.py
>>> startproject me" and Bill's suggestion opf  "python django-admin.py
>>> startproject me" but both haVE failed! I'll try Bill's other suggestion of
>>> the forward slashes but I doubt it will work.On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:51
>>> AM, Steve Burrus >
>>> wrote:well tom tjhanx for your  attempted help but it still didn't work
>>> after I took care of that space after "\Scripts\"!  here is my error
>>> message now : "python: can't open file '.\Scripts\django-admin.py': [Errno
>>> 2] No such file or directory".On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Tom
>>> Lockhart > wrote:On Jul
>>> 22, 2015, at 09:11, Steve Burrus >> > wrote:I find myself in ned of help yet again w.
>>> django. Just to say parenthetically I have had this problem before. just
>>> what am I doing wrong with the command "python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py
>>> startproject me" to consistently get this error message! Thanx to anyone
>>> who helps me.   "C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>.\Scripts\activate(burrus)
>>> C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py
>>> startproject meC:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus\Scripts\python.exe: can't
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Re: Need Django Help Again.

2015-07-22 Thread Steve Burrus
*Okay it's a case of "my bad". I got it gpoing. I had just forgotten to do
this command : "pip install django" in the "burrus" virtual environment
inst ance! I still have the shakiest knowledge of django in general so
little mistakes like this I am gonna have a little while longer.*


*On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Bill Freeman > wrote:*
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> the Scripts directory?*
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>> *well I haVE tried both this "python .\Scripts\django-admin.py
>> startproject me" and Bill's suggestion opf  "python django-admin.py
>> startproject me" but both haVE failed! I'll try Bill's other suggestion of
>> the forward slashes but I doubt it will work.On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:51
>> AM, Steve Burrus >
>> wrote:well tom tjhanx for your  attempted help but it still didn't work
>> after I took care of that space after "\Scripts\"!  here is my error
>> message now : "python: can't open file '.\Scripts\django-admin.py': [Errno
>> 2] No such file or directory".On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Tom
>> Lockhart > wrote:On Jul
>> 22, 2015, at 09:11, Steve Burrus > > wrote:I find myself in ned of help yet again w.
>> django. Just to say parenthetically I have had this problem before. just
>> what am I doing wrong with the command "python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py
>> startproject me" to consistently get this error message! Thanx to anyone
>> who helps me.   "C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>.\Scripts\activate(burrus)
>> C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py
>> startproject meC:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus\Scripts\python.exe: can't
>> find '__main__' module in '.\\Scripts\\’"You seem to have a space after the
>> “\Scripts\”.hth- Tom -- You received this message because you are
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Re: Need Django Help Again.

2015-07-22 Thread Bill Freeman
I presume that you have actually checked for a django-admin.py file in the
Scripts directory?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:58 PM, Steve Burrus 
wrote:

>
> *well I haVE tried both this "python .\Scripts\django-admin.py
> startproject me" and Bill's suggestion opf  "python django-admin.py
> startproject me" but both haVE failed! I'll try Bill's other suggestion of
> the forward slashes but I doubt it will work.*
>
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> *On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Steve Burrus  > wrote:*
>>
>> *well tom tjhanx for your  attempted help but it still didn't work after
>> I took care of that space after "\Scripts\"!  here is my error message now
>> : "python: can't open file '.\Scripts\django-admin.py': [Errno 2] No such
>> file or directory".*
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>> *On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Tom Lockhart > > wrote:*
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>>> *On Jul 22, 2015, at 09:11, Steve Burrus >> > wrote:*
>>> *I find myself in ned of help yet again w. django. Just to say
>>> parenthetically I have had this problem before. just what am I doing wrong
>>> with the command "**python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py startproject me"
>>> to consistently get this error message! Thanx to anyone who helps me. *
>>>
>>>
>>> *"C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>.\Scripts\activate*
>>> *(burrus) C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>python .\Scripts\
>>> django-admin.py startproject me*
>>> *C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus\Scripts\python.exe: can't find
>>> '__main__' module in '.\\Scripts\\’"*
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>>> *You seem to have a space after the “\Scripts\”.*
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>>> *hth*
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Re: Need Django Help Again.

2015-07-22 Thread Steve Burrus
*well I haVE tried both this "python .\Scripts\django-admin.py startproject
me" and Bill's suggestion opf  "python django-admin.py startproject me" but
both haVE failed! I'll try Bill's other suggestion of the forward slashes
but I doubt it will work.*


*On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Steve Burrus > wrote:*
>
> *well tom tjhanx for your  attempted help but it still didn't work after I
> took care of that space after "\Scripts\"!  here is my error message now :
> "python: can't open file '.\Scripts\django-admin.py': [Errno 2] No such
> file or directory".*
>
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> *On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Tom Lockhart  > wrote:*
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>> *On Jul 22, 2015, at 09:11, Steve Burrus > > wrote:*
>> *I find myself in ned of help yet again w. django. Just to say
>> parenthetically I have had this problem before. just what am I doing wrong
>> with the command "**python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py startproject me"
>> to consistently get this error message! Thanx to anyone who helps me. *
>>
>> *"C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>.\Scripts\activate*
>> *(burrus) C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>python .\Scripts\
>> django-admin.py startproject me*
>> *C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus\Scripts\python.exe: can't find '__main__'
>> module in '.\\Scripts\\’"*
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>> *You seem to have a space after the “\Scripts\”.*
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Re: Need Django Help Again.

2015-07-22 Thread Steve Burrus
*well tom tjhanx for your  attempted help but it still didn't work after I
took care of that space after "\Scripts\"!  here is my error message now :
"python: can't open file '.\Scripts\django-admin.py': [Errno 2] No such
file or directory".*


*On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Tom Lockhart > wrote:*
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> *On Jul 22, 2015, at 09:11, Steve Burrus  > wrote:*
> *I find myself in ned of help yet again w. django. Just to say
> parenthetically I have had this problem before. just what am I doing wrong
> with the command "**python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py startproject me" to
> consistently get this error message! Thanx to anyone who helps me. *
>
> *"C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>.\Scripts\activate*
> *(burrus) C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py
> startproject me*
> *C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus\Scripts\python.exe: can't find '__main__'
> module in '.\\Scripts\\’"*
>
>
> *You seem to have a space after the “\Scripts\”.*
>
> *hth*
>
> *- Tom*
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Re: Need Django Help Again.

2015-07-22 Thread Bill Freeman
Try no space between ".\Scripts\" and "django-admin.py"

You could also try forward slashes on the django-admin.py line (I think
that you need the back slashes on the activate line).

And I don't think that you need the ".\" on the django-admin.py line.

And, if that activate is activating a virtualenv (as the "(burrus)" might
seem to imply), then you might be able to just do:

python django-admin.py startproject me

(but I'm not that familiar with virtualenv on Windows.  On *nix it's all
about path modification, so the django-admin.py might just be found.)

Also worth trying is:

   django-admin.py startproject me

Perhaps someone who actually uses Windows for django development could
chime in?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Steve Burrus 
wrote:

> *I find myself in ned of help yet again w. django. Just to say
> parenthetically I have had this problem before. just what am I doing wrong
> with the command "**python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py startproject me" to
> consistently get this error message! Thanx to anyone who helps me. *
>
> *"C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>.\Scripts\activate*
> *(burrus) C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py
> startproject me*
> *C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus\Scripts\python.exe: can't find '__main__'
> module in '.\\Scripts\\'"*
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Re: Need Django Help Again.

2015-07-22 Thread Tom Lockhart

> On Jul 22, 2015, at 09:11, Steve Burrus  wrote:
> 
> I find myself in ned of help yet again w. django. Just to say parenthetically 
> I have had this problem before. just what am I doing wrong with the command 
> "python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py startproject me" to consistently get this 
> error message! Thanx to anyone who helps me.   
> 
> "C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>.\Scripts\activate
> (burrus) C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py 
> startproject me
> C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus\Scripts\python.exe: can't find '__main__' 
> module in '.\\Scripts\\’"

You seem to have a space after the “\Scripts\”.

hth

- Tom

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Need Django Help Again.

2015-07-22 Thread Steve Burrus
*I find myself in ned of help yet again w. django. Just to say 
parenthetically I have had this problem before. just what am I doing wrong 
with the command "**python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py startproject me" to 
consistently get this error message! Thanx to anyone who helps me. *  

*"C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>.\Scripts\activate*
*(burrus) C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus>python .\Scripts\ django-admin.py 
startproject me*
*C:\Users\SteveB\Desktop\burrus\Scripts\python.exe: can't find '__main__' 
module in '.\\Scripts\\'"*

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