Re: framework web comparison

[bobhaugen]

Another factor that was important to me was the community.  Django has
a friendly and helpful expert community.  When I was picking a
framework, I did not get the same impression from Rails.  Smelled more
like competitive-rockstar.

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Re: framework web comparison

[refreegrata]

thanks for the answers.

On 8 abr, 03:52, Xavier Ordoquy  wrote:
>
> Isn't Ruby a language ?


Ok, my mistake, I want to say Ruby on Rails (typing error).

Bye.

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Re: framework web comparison

[Mike Dewhirst]

On 8/04/2011 7:19pm, Stuart MacKay wrote:
Evaluating frameworks that are reasonably feature complete can only be 
a subjective exercise. You could compare features but even with a 
specific feature set that you were looking for you stil have to 
evaluate the claims to make sure that the framework supports it 
effectively. So you are left with opinions and annecdotes which are 
going to be extremely subjective, to day the least, and what works for 
one group will not work for another.


Importantly, you need to consider the groups by "maturity" as well.

One framework might suit beginners really well but as they "mature" it 
might begin to fail them.


Another framework might have a steeper learning curve and scare off 
newbs. The same framework may continuously satisfy those with more 
sophisticated requirements well beyond any learning curve.


Mike



So you are left with doing your own evaluation. Many of the frameworks 
use the creation of a blog as a introductory example. This is a 
reasonabe first application that covers many of the features offered 
by each framework and allows you to "kick the tires". I would go 
through the frameworks that offer this as a tutorial and then attempt 
to write one for the frameworks that do not. That would give you a 
good feeling for how each works and would give you enough information 
to make your evaluation more objective.


Stuart
Lisboa, Portugal



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Re: framework web comparison

[Stuart MacKay]

Evaluating frameworks that are reasonably feature complete can only be a 
subjective exercise. You could compare features but even with a specific 
feature set that you were looking for you stil have to evaluate the 
claims to make sure that the framework supports it effectively. So you 
are left with opinions and annecdotes which are going to be extremely 
subjective, to day the least, and what works for one group will not work 
for another.


So you are left with doing your own evaluation. Many of the frameworks 
use the creation of a blog as a introductory example. This is a 
reasonabe first application that covers many of the features offered by 
each framework and allows you to "kick the tires". I would go through 
the frameworks that offer this as a tutorial and then attempt to write 
one for the frameworks that do not. That would give you a good feeling 
for how each works and would give you enough information to make your 
evaluation more objective.


Stuart
Lisboa, Portugal

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Re: framework web comparison

[Raúl Cumplido]

He means Ruby on Rails

On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Xavier Ordoquy  wrote:

> Hi there
>
> > Hello list. I must to do a document to compare the most populars web
> > frameworks (Django, Ruby, Zend, ...), in terms like performance,
> > utilities, documentation, etc. For this document, the opinions of this
> > list would be helpful.
>
>
> Isn't Ruby a language ?
>
> Regards,
> Xavier.
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Re: framework web comparison

[bruno desthuilliers]

On 8 avr, 09:52, Xavier Ordoquy  wrote:
> Hi there
>
> > Hello list. I must to do a document to compare the most populars web
> > frameworks (Django, Ruby, Zend, ...), in terms like performance,
> > utilities, documentation, etc. For this document, the opinions of this
> > list would be helpful.
>
> Isn't Ruby a language ?

Well, yes, indeed. But it seems so tied to Rails that non-techies tend
to confuse the language with the framework.

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Re: framework web comparison

[Xavier Ordoquy]

Hi there

> Hello list. I must to do a document to compare the most populars web
> frameworks (Django, Ruby, Zend, ...), in terms like performance,
> utilities, documentation, etc. For this document, the opinions of this
> list would be helpful.


Isn't Ruby a language ?

Regards,
Xavier.

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Re: framework web comparison

[Mike Ramirez]

On Thursday, April 07, 2011 07:52:36 pm Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 19:35 -0700, Mike Ramirez wrote:
> > > very true - in all fields. Currently we are in a huge controversy
> > > because the guys who rated our golf course messed it up because they
> > 
> > did
> > 
> > > not actually *play* the course and just relied on numbers.
> > 
> > Ouch
> > 
> > But isn't there an equation they use to rate them? I remember reading
> > in golf
> > digest a while back about how they do the rating... though they do
> > tend to
> > play them also.
> 
> there are a whole lot of numbers involved, but in the last analysis it
> is the rater who decides which numbers to use. Therefore the USGA
> strongly recommends that 4 players of varying ability play the course
> once - and then again after a month or two. The average course one need
> not play - ours is a very unusual course. (this is getting highly OT)

Truth, thanks for answering, wasn't sure if you would tbh.

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Re: framework web comparison

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 19:35 -0700, Mike Ramirez wrote:
> > very true - in all fields. Currently we are in a huge controversy
> > because the guys who rated our golf course messed it up because they
> did
> > not actually *play* the course and just relied on numbers.
> 
> Ouch 
> 
> But isn't there an equation they use to rate them? I remember reading
> in golf 
> digest a while back about how they do the rating... though they do
> tend to 
> play them also. 

there are a whole lot of numbers involved, but in the last analysis it
is the rater who decides which numbers to use. Therefore the USGA
strongly recommends that 4 players of varying ability play the course
once - and then again after a month or two. The average course one need
not play - ours is a very unusual course. (this is getting highly OT)
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Re: framework web comparison

[Mike Ramirez]

On Thursday, April 07, 2011 07:24:38 pm Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 19:12 -0700, Mike Ramirez wrote:
> > > from what I gather the point here is he is doing some sort of
> > 
> > research
> > 
> > > paper on the comparative merits of the three.
> > 
> > Still the point stands, IMO. How well will you know in details what's
> > going
> > on? I can understand asking being one part of the equation, but till
> > you get
> > hands on, it's all subjective.
> 
> very true - in all fields. Currently we are in a huge controversy
> because the guys who rated our golf course messed it up because they did
> not actually *play* the course and just relied on numbers.

Ouch 

But isn't there an equation they use to rate them? I remember reading in golf 
digest a while back about how they do the rating... though they do tend to 
play them also.


ftr... Rory damn D:  

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Re: framework web comparison

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 19:12 -0700, Mike Ramirez wrote:
> > from what I gather the point here is he is doing some sort of
> research
> > paper on the comparative merits of the three.
> 
> Still the point stands, IMO. How well will you know in details what's
> going 
> on? I can understand asking being one part of the equation, but till
> you get 
> hands on, it's all subjective.
> 
> 

very true - in all fields. Currently we are in a huge controversy
because the guys who rated our golf course messed it up because they did
not actually *play* the course and just relied on numbers.
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Re: framework web comparison

[Mike Ramirez]

On Thursday, April 07, 2011 07:05:34 pm Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 11:48 -0700, Mike Ramirez wrote:
> > Ultimately, this question is best answered by yourself, by using,
> > testing,
> > playing with each of the tools you want to evaluate and find the one
> > that best
> > fits you, the development team and the project you're working
> > with/on.
> 
> from what I gather the point here is he is doing some sort of research
> paper on the comparative merits of the three.

Still the point stands, IMO. How well will you know in details what's going 
on? I can understand asking being one part of the equation, but till you get 
hands on, it's all subjective.

Mike
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Re: framework web comparison

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On Thu, 2011-04-07 at 11:48 -0700, Mike Ramirez wrote:
> Ultimately, this question is best answered by yourself, by using,
> testing, 
> playing with each of the tools you want to evaluate and find the one
> that best 
> fits you, the development team and the project you're working
> with/on. 

from what I gather the point here is he is doing some sort of research
paper on the comparative merits of the three.
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Re: framework web comparison

[Nate Aune]

You might find some answers in the recent survey that Boston companies using 
Django filled out. You can see the results of the survey here:
http://djangozoom.com/blog/2011/04/03/companies-boston-using-django/

We asked 3 simple questions:


   - What are you using Django for?
   - Why did you choose Django?
   - How long have you been using Django?

45 companies have shared what they are using Django for and why they chose 
Django over competing web frameworks. Jesse Noller from Nasuni also shared 
his reasons for choosing Django 
here: http://www.nasuni.com/news/nasuni-blog/thanks-to-django/

Nate

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Re: framework web comparison

[Mike Ramirez]

On Thursday, April 07, 2011 11:35:20 am refreegrata wrote:

> for example, for you, Why I must to choose Django instead of Ruby or
> Zend? or something like this.
> 

For me it's about the language each uses. Ruby, PHP, while very popular, are 
not languages I like to write in or use or even recommend.  

I use django over turbogears because it's self-contained and not as annoying 
or as large as Zope.  I never really used/researched plone, so leaving that 
out.

Currently though, I'm using less python and django in favor of Go, web.go + 
mustache is a nice solution currently with Go. DB support is through 
individual wrappers to the db's C api. Which sqlite, mysql, postgres, mongodb 
all have.

Ultimately, this question is best answered by yourself, by using, testing, 
playing with each of the tools you want to evaluate and find the one that best 
fits you, the development team and the project you're working with/on. 

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Re: framework web comparison

[Sandro Dutra]

I choose Django, in first place, for one motive: Python. But first I
tested others web frameworks based on Python, like: Pylons and Turbo
Gears, but Django offer me a excellent documentation with a simple
tutorial and community support, a free and complete book and on a few
minutes I've a project up and running.

2011/4/7 refreegrata :
> Hello list. I must to do a document to compare the most populars web
> frameworks (Django, Ruby, Zend, ...), in terms like performance,
> utilities, documentation, etc. For this document, the opinions of this
> list would be helpful.
>
> for example, for you, Why I must to choose Django instead of Ruby or
> Zend? or something like this.
>
> Any opinion can be helpful.
>
> Thanks for read, and sorry for my poor english.
>
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framework web comparison

[refreegrata]

Hello list. I must to do a document to compare the most populars web
frameworks (Django, Ruby, Zend, ...), in terms like performance,
utilities, documentation, etc. For this document, the opinions of this
list would be helpful.

for example, for you, Why I must to choose Django instead of Ruby or
Zend? or something like this.

Any opinion can be helpful.

Thanks for read, and sorry for my poor english.

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