Re: is Django useful for a basic site as well?

2013-07-19 Thread Alex Hall 
thanks for the tip about this, it looks really useful. I was also pleased to 
find that, at least in looking at one of the template files, it seems to work 
well with my screen reader. Too often web developers don't bother with 
accessibility, but this looks promising.
On Jul 18, 2013, at 6:31 PM, Arnold Krille  wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:45:32 -0400 Bill Freeman 
> wrote:
>> Good programmers steal.  Great programmers steal from the best.  Find
>> a beautiful site and don't deviate much from his layout/CSS scheme.
> 
> And some call their work a framework and make everyone use/steal it.
> 
> @Alex: Start with bootstrap (http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/) and
> be blown away by the ease and possibilities. And choose mezzanine for
> your django-based cms.
> 
> Of course you still have to do the laymans work of setting up
> webservers and databases but there are many tools to help with that
> like fabric, chef, puppet...
> 
> Have fun,
> 
> Arnold



Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: is Django useful for a basic site as well?

2013-07-19 Thread Arnold Krille 
On Thu, 18 Jul 2013 17:45:32 -0400 Bill Freeman 
wrote:
> Good programmers steal.  Great programmers steal from the best.  Find
> a beautiful site and don't deviate much from his layout/CSS scheme.

And some call their work a framework and make everyone use/steal it.

@Alex: Start with bootstrap (http://twitter.github.io/bootstrap/) and
be blown away by the ease and possibilities. And choose mezzanine for
your django-based cms.

Of course you still have to do the laymans work of setting up
webservers and databases but there are many tools to help with that
like fabric, chef, puppet...

Have fun,

Arnold


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Re: is Django useful for a basic site as well?

2013-07-19 Thread Tom Evans 
On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Bill Freeman  wrote:
> Good programmers steal.  Great programmers steal from the best.  Find a
> beautiful site and don't deviate much from his layout/CSS scheme.

There are plenty of free CSS layout reservoirs out there for people to
use, advising people that it is fine to rip off other people's designs
is not cool. You should only re-use someone else's layout or CSS if
they say it is fine to do so.

Tom

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Re: is Django useful for a basic site as well?

2013-07-18 Thread Some Developer 

On 18/07/2013 22:41, Alex Hall wrote:

Yes, I suspected as much but was hoping for something easier than CSS.
My last adventure in CSS somehow put my navigation buttons squashed
against the right side of their div, and my footer ended up floating
behind my main content. Well, at least Django will make my projects and
articles easier to manage; good to know I'll still have to work out my
CSS issues then.


How about trying something like Twitter Bootstrap to handle the CSS 
stuff for you?


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Re: is Django useful for a basic site as well?

2013-07-18 Thread Bill Freeman 
Good programmers steal.  Great programmers steal from the best.  Find a
beautiful site and don't deviate much from his layout/CSS scheme.


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Yes, I suspected as much but was hoping for something easier than CSS. My
> last adventure in CSS somehow put my navigation buttons squashed against
> the right side of their div, and my footer ended up floating behind my main
> content. Well, at least Django will make my projects and articles easier to
> manage; good to know I'll still have to work out my CSS issues then.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jul 18, 2013, at 17:17, Bill Freeman  wrote:
>
> Django still require templates, basically HTML from you, in order to make
> content be delivered to the user's browser.  It is still best to use CSS to
> do things like positioning content into two or three columns with a header
> a footer (a pretty standard organization).  It still requires something
> like Apache or nginx in front of it for a well performing and secure site,
> which can server non-dynamic content just fine without Django.  (If you are
> getting as far as a shopping cart, or frequently updating prices and
> available quantities, that is another story.)
>
> There are content management apps available for Django (my personal site
> uses fiber), which allow much content creation and editing without looking
> at HTML, but this is usually be means of a WYSIWYG editor (on the page
> being edited, implemented using JavaScript), but I'm not sure how much that
> helps you.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> As I said in my first post here, I despise CSS and laying out websites. I
>> realize that much of that likely stems from my being legally blind, so I
>> cannot check my work, use interactive CSS tools to practice coding and see
>> results, or understand the subtile differences in styles or what happens to
>> an enlarged page if I use em versus px.
>>
>> Anyway, is Django at all useful in laying out a basic website, one with
>> little to no dynamic content? As mentioned previously, part of my site will
>> include articles and recordings, but part of it is a collection of boring,
>> basic pages for pricing, services, about, contact, and so on. Will Django
>> be of any use here, or should I just use static files and render those in
>> views for those URLs? Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com
>>
>>
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Re: is Django useful for a basic site as well?

2013-07-18 Thread Alex Hall 
Yes, I suspected as much but was hoping for something easier than CSS. My last 
adventure in CSS somehow put my navigation buttons squashed against the right 
side of their div, and my footer ended up floating behind my main content. 
Well, at least Django will make my projects and articles easier to manage; good 
to know I'll still have to work out my CSS issues then.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 18, 2013, at 17:17, Bill Freeman  wrote:

> Django still require templates, basically HTML from you, in order to make 
> content be delivered to the user's browser.  It is still best to use CSS to 
> do things like positioning content into two or three columns with a header a 
> footer (a pretty standard organization).  It still requires something like 
> Apache or nginx in front of it for a well performing and secure site, which 
> can server non-dynamic content just fine without Django.  (If you are getting 
> as far as a shopping cart, or frequently updating prices and available 
> quantities, that is another story.)
> 
> There are content management apps available for Django (my personal site uses 
> fiber), which allow much content creation and editing without looking at 
> HTML, but this is usually be means of a WYSIWYG editor (on the page being 
> edited, implemented using JavaScript), but I'm not sure how much that helps 
> you.
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> As I said in my first post here, I despise CSS and laying out websites. I 
>> realize that much of that likely stems from my being legally blind, so I 
>> cannot check my work, use interactive CSS tools to practice coding and see 
>> results, or understand the subtile differences in styles or what happens to 
>> an enlarged page if I use em versus px.
>> 
>> Anyway, is Django at all useful in laying out a basic website, one with 
>> little to no dynamic content? As mentioned previously, part of my site will 
>> include articles and recordings, but part of it is a collection of boring, 
>> basic pages for pricing, services, about, contact, and so on. Will Django be 
>> of any use here, or should I just use static files and render those in views 
>> for those URLs? Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: is Django useful for a basic site as well?

2013-07-18 Thread Bill Freeman 
Django still require templates, basically HTML from you, in order to make
content be delivered to the user's browser.  It is still best to use CSS to
do things like positioning content into two or three columns with a header
a footer (a pretty standard organization).  It still requires something
like Apache or nginx in front of it for a well performing and secure site,
which can server non-dynamic content just fine without Django.  (If you are
getting as far as a shopping cart, or frequently updating prices and
available quantities, that is another story.)

There are content management apps available for Django (my personal site
uses fiber), which allow much content creation and editing without looking
at HTML, but this is usually be means of a WYSIWYG editor (on the page
being edited, implemented using JavaScript), but I'm not sure how much that
helps you.

Bill


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Hi all,
> As I said in my first post here, I despise CSS and laying out websites. I
> realize that much of that likely stems from my being legally blind, so I
> cannot check my work, use interactive CSS tools to practice coding and see
> results, or understand the subtile differences in styles or what happens to
> an enlarged page if I use em versus px.
>
> Anyway, is Django at all useful in laying out a basic website, one with
> little to no dynamic content? As mentioned previously, part of my site will
> include articles and recordings, but part of it is a collection of boring,
> basic pages for pricing, services, about, contact, and so on. Will Django
> be of any use here, or should I just use static files and render those in
> views for those URLs? Thanks.
>
>
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com
>
>
>
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