Re: regarding virtualenv and python version 3.5 or 3.4 or other versions

2017-08-16 Thread Seo Brain 
pyenv - github way - it works for me.
thanks.

On Wednesday, August 16, 2017 at 2:18:08 AM UTC-7, Avraham Serour wrote:
>
> on the same link it is mentioned "To not touch the system Python 
> (generally a bad idea..."
>
> it is suggested to use pyenv, you may use instead pythonz
>
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 3:56 AM, Seo Brain  > wrote:
>
>> Hi Avraham
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> I did install the python V3.6 on my dev-server ubuntu 14.04 
>>
>> by using this
>>
>> https://askubuntu.com/questions/865554/how-do-i-install-python-3-6-using-apt-get
>>
>> //also map 3.6.2 to python3 folder by this way
>> sudo rm python3 
>> sudo ln -s python3.5 python3 
>>
>> python -V shows v3.6.2
>> sudo apt-get install python3.6-venv -- able to install virtualenv
>>
>> and python -V is v2.7 and python3 -V is v3.6.2  
>>
>> which python3 -- (/usr/bin/python3)
>>
>> which pip3 (/usr/local/bin/pip3) or pip (/usr/local/bin/pip) display the 
>> path 
>>
>> and issue is pip -V or pip3 -V , error display
>>
>> 
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>   File "/usr/local/bin/pip3", line 7, in 
>> from pip import main
>>   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pip/__init__.py", line 59, in 
>> 
>> from pip.log import logger
>>   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pip/log.py", line 9, in 
>> import colorama, pkg_resources
>>   File "", line 961, in _find_and_load
>>   File "", line 950, in 
>> _find_and_load_unlocked
>>   File "", line 646, in _load_unlocked
>>   File "", line 616, in 
>> _load_backward_compatible
>>   File 
>> "/usr/share/python-wheels/setuptools-3.3-py2.py3-none-any.whl/pkg_resources.py",
>>  
>> line 1479, in 
>> register_loader_type(importlib_bootstrap.SourceFileLoader, 
>> DefaultProvider)
>> AttributeError: module 'importlib._bootstrap' has no attribute 
>> 'SourceFileLoader'
>> ---
>>
>>
>> and i tried to upgrade the pip3 and still the same error.
>>
>> Please help to figure it out.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ross
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 8:11:57 AM UTC-7, Avraham Serour wrote:
>>>
>>> I suggest using 3.6, which is the current stable release
>>> if your machine or the server doesn't have this version installed you 
>>> may compile it yourself and create the virtualenv for the project from there
>>>
>>> There are some projects that help you with that, I like pythonz 
>>> https://github.com/saghul/pythonz
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Seo Brain  wrote:
>>>
 Hi, the question is about which python version suppose to use. On web 
 server is ubuntu 14.4 - python v3.4 (i assume) with virtualenv, my local 
 is 
 python v3.5 or may be using v3.4 if i have to keep the same version on web 
 server ? v3.4 seems has issue to install on one of my windows 7, but no 
 issue on mac. or may be i suppose to use virtual-box to keep the 
 environment same everywhere dev and production server ?
 thanks in advance. Ross

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Re: regarding virtualenv and python version 3.5 or 3.4 or other versions

2017-08-16 Thread Avraham Serour 
on the same link it is mentioned "To not touch the system Python (generally
a bad idea..."

it is suggested to use pyenv, you may use instead pythonz

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 3:56 AM, Seo Brain  wrote:

> Hi Avraham
>
> Thanks.
>
> I did install the python V3.6 on my dev-server ubuntu 14.04
>
> by using this
> https://askubuntu.com/questions/865554/how-do-i-
> install-python-3-6-using-apt-get
>
> //also map 3.6.2 to python3 folder by this way
> sudo rm python3
> sudo ln -s python3.5 python3
>
> python -V shows v3.6.2
> sudo apt-get install python3.6-venv -- able to install virtualenv
>
> and python -V is v2.7 and python3 -V is v3.6.2
>
> which python3 -- (/usr/bin/python3)
>
> which pip3 (/usr/local/bin/pip3) or pip (/usr/local/bin/pip) display the
> path
>
> and issue is pip -V or pip3 -V , error display
>
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/local/bin/pip3", line 7, in 
> from pip import main
>   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pip/__init__.py", line 59, in
> 
> from pip.log import logger
>   File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pip/log.py", line 9, in 
> import colorama, pkg_resources
>   File "", line 961, in _find_and_load
>   File "", line 950, in
> _find_and_load_unlocked
>   File "", line 646, in _load_unlocked
>   File "", line 616, in
> _load_backward_compatible
>   File 
> "/usr/share/python-wheels/setuptools-3.3-py2.py3-none-any.whl/pkg_resources.py",
> line 1479, in 
> register_loader_type(importlib_bootstrap.SourceFileLoader,
> DefaultProvider)
> AttributeError: module 'importlib._bootstrap' has no attribute
> 'SourceFileLoader'
> ---
>
>
> and i tried to upgrade the pip3 and still the same error.
>
> Please help to figure it out.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ross
>
>
>
> On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 8:11:57 AM UTC-7, Avraham Serour wrote:
>>
>> I suggest using 3.6, which is the current stable release
>> if your machine or the server doesn't have this version installed you may
>> compile it yourself and create the virtualenv for the project from there
>>
>> There are some projects that help you with that, I like pythonz
>> https://github.com/saghul/pythonz
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Seo Brain  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, the question is about which python version suppose to use. On web
>>> server is ubuntu 14.4 - python v3.4 (i assume) with virtualenv, my local is
>>> python v3.5 or may be using v3.4 if i have to keep the same version on web
>>> server ? v3.4 seems has issue to install on one of my windows 7, but no
>>> issue on mac. or may be i suppose to use virtual-box to keep the
>>> environment same everywhere dev and production server ?
>>> thanks in advance. Ross
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Re: regarding virtualenv and python version 3.5 or 3.4 or other versions

2017-08-15 Thread Seo Brain 
Hi Avraham

Thanks.

I did install the python V3.6 on my dev-server ubuntu 14.04 

by using this
https://askubuntu.com/questions/865554/how-do-i-install-python-3-6-using-apt-get

//also map 3.6.2 to python3 folder by this way
sudo rm python3 
sudo ln -s python3.5 python3 

python -V shows v3.6.2
sudo apt-get install python3.6-venv -- able to install virtualenv

and python -V is v2.7 and python3 -V is v3.6.2  

which python3 -- (/usr/bin/python3)

which pip3 (/usr/local/bin/pip3) or pip (/usr/local/bin/pip) display the 
path 

and issue is pip -V or pip3 -V , error display


Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/bin/pip3", line 7, in 
from pip import main
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pip/__init__.py", line 59, in 

from pip.log import logger
  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/pip/log.py", line 9, in 
import colorama, pkg_resources
  File "", line 961, in _find_and_load
  File "", line 950, in _find_and_load_unlocked
  File "", line 646, in _load_unlocked
  File "", line 616, in 
_load_backward_compatible
  File 
"/usr/share/python-wheels/setuptools-3.3-py2.py3-none-any.whl/pkg_resources.py",
 
line 1479, in 
register_loader_type(importlib_bootstrap.SourceFileLoader, 
DefaultProvider)
AttributeError: module 'importlib._bootstrap' has no attribute 
'SourceFileLoader'
---


and i tried to upgrade the pip3 and still the same error.

Please help to figure it out.

Thanks

Ross



On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 8:11:57 AM UTC-7, Avraham Serour wrote:
>
> I suggest using 3.6, which is the current stable release
> if your machine or the server doesn't have this version installed you may 
> compile it yourself and create the virtualenv for the project from there
>
> There are some projects that help you with that, I like pythonz 
> https://github.com/saghul/pythonz
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Seo Brain  > wrote:
>
>> Hi, the question is about which python version suppose to use. On web 
>> server is ubuntu 14.4 - python v3.4 (i assume) with virtualenv, my local is 
>> python v3.5 or may be using v3.4 if i have to keep the same version on web 
>> server ? v3.4 seems has issue to install on one of my windows 7, but no 
>> issue on mac. or may be i suppose to use virtual-box to keep the 
>> environment same everywhere dev and production server ?
>> thanks in advance. Ross
>>
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Re: regarding virtualenv and python version 3.5 or 3.4 or other versions

2017-08-14 Thread Andréas Kühne 
If you want something to scale - make sure that you make the right
prerequisites for that. We run on virtual machines and have custom built
images that get spun up automatically if the system needs to scale (it
scales horizontally). That way I know what I have on the machines and can
upgrade to new images as needed.
I think using an automatic "apt update && apt upgrade" you will be asking
for problems. Specially if you are running one version of Python on your
own machine and another in production (running 14.04 in production is not a
good option as far as I'm concerned). You will get issues that will be
harder to find and debug.
What I really would like to run on would be things like AWS Elastic
Beanstalk - no need to configure the system at all, or in a docker image.
Regarding the AWS Beanstalk - I like the way that I don't need to provision
servers my self. And on docker you can run the same image in ALL
environments - which I think would be really useful.

Regards,

Andréas

2017-08-14 20:33 GMT+02:00 Antonis Christofides <
anto...@djangodeployment.com>:

> Hi,
>
> I generally disagree.
>
> Compiling Python on production can take some time (e.g. you may get some
> compilation parameters wrong) and makes security upgrades harder; instead
> of "apt update && apt upgrade" you'll be needing to recompile Python. It
> might not seem like a big deal, but if today you have one production
> machine, next year you will have three and the year after that you will
> have ten or more. Don't use practices that don't scale well.
>
> What I'd do would be to install Python 3.6 on my development machine and
> deploy on whatever Python version Ubuntu 14.04 has. I'd be careful to not
> use any post-3.4 features while developing (that's easy as the Python docs
> clearly have the versions marked). If an error occurs during deployment,
> chances are way higher the error will be elsewhere than in the Python
> version. Besides, upgrades are always a little risky, and if you can't
> allow the downtime, you'll need to have a staging environment as well.
>
> Of course, if there is any compelling reason to use a Python 3.6 feature,
> that's another story; but using a couple of f-strings is not compelling
> enough.
>
> Regards,
>
> Antonis
>
> Antonis Christofideshttp://djangodeployment.com
>
> On 2017-08-13 18:10, Avraham Serour wrote:
>
> I suggest using 3.6, which is the current stable release
> if your machine or the server doesn't have this version installed you may
> compile it yourself and create the virtualenv for the project from there
>
> There are some projects that help you with that, I like pythonz
> https://github.com/saghul/pythonz
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Seo Brain  wrote:
>
>> Hi, the question is about which python version suppose to use. On web
>> server is ubuntu 14.4 - python v3.4 (i assume) with virtualenv, my local is
>> python v3.5 or may be using v3.4 if i have to keep the same version on web
>> server ? v3.4 seems has issue to install on one of my windows 7, but no
>> issue on mac. or may be i suppose to use virtual-box to keep the
>> environment same everywhere dev and production server ?
>> thanks in advance. Ross
>>
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Re: regarding virtualenv and python version 3.5 or 3.4 or other versions

2017-08-14 Thread Simon Charette 
Hello there,

I'd strongly suggest you use the same version of Python on your development 
machines and
on your servers.

You should be able to install a pre-compiled version of Python 3.5 on 
Ubuntu 14.04 LTS by
adding the deadsnakes PPA[0] running apt-get update and then apt-get 
install python3.5.

Best,
Simon

[0] https://launchpad.net/~fkrull/+archive/ubuntu/deadsnakes

Le dimanche 13 août 2017 08:51:17 UTC-4, Seo Brain a écrit :
>
> Hi, the question is about which python version suppose to use. On web 
> server is ubuntu 14.4 - python v3.4 (i assume) with virtualenv, my local is 
> python v3.5 or may be using v3.4 if i have to keep the same version on web 
> server ? v3.4 seems has issue to install on one of my windows 7, but no 
> issue on mac. or may be i suppose to use virtual-box to keep the 
> environment same everywhere dev and production server ?
> thanks in advance. Ross
>
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Re: regarding virtualenv and python version 3.5 or 3.4 or other versions

2017-08-14 Thread Antonis Christofides 
Hi,

I generally disagree.

Compiling Python on production can take some time (e.g. you may get some
compilation parameters wrong) and makes security upgrades harder; instead of
"apt update && apt upgrade" you'll be needing to recompile Python. It might not
seem like a big deal, but if today you have one production machine, next year
you will have three and the year after that you will have ten or more. Don't use
practices that don't scale well.

What I'd do would be to install Python 3.6 on my development machine and deploy
on whatever Python version Ubuntu 14.04 has. I'd be careful to not use any
post-3.4 features while developing (that's easy as the Python docs clearly have
the versions marked). If an error occurs during deployment, chances are way
higher the error will be elsewhere than in the Python version. Besides, upgrades
are always a little risky, and if you can't allow the downtime, you'll need to
have a staging environment as well.

Of course, if there is any compelling reason to use a Python 3.6 feature, that's
another story; but using a couple of f-strings is not compelling enough.

Regards,

Antonis

Antonis Christofides
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On 2017-08-13 18:10, Avraham Serour wrote:
> I suggest using 3.6, which is the current stable release
> if your machine or the server doesn't have this version installed you may
> compile it yourself and create the virtualenv for the project from there
>
> There are some projects that help you with that, I like
> pythonz https://github.com/saghul/pythonz
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Seo Brain  > wrote:
>
> Hi, the question is about which python version suppose to use. On web
> server is ubuntu 14.4 - python v3.4 (i assume) with virtualenv, my local
> is python v3.5 or may be using v3.4 if i have to keep the same version on
> web server ? v3.4 seems has issue to install on one of my windows 7, but
> no issue on mac. or may be i suppose to use virtual-box to keep the
> environment same everywhere dev and production server ?
> thanks in advance. Ross
>
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Re: regarding virtualenv and python version 3.5 or 3.4 or other versions

2017-08-13 Thread Seo Brain 
thanks for the suggestion.



On Sunday, August 13, 2017 at 8:11:57 AM UTC-7, Avraham Serour wrote:
>
> I suggest using 3.6, which is the current stable release
> if your machine or the server doesn't have this version installed you may 
> compile it yourself and create the virtualenv for the project from there
>
> There are some projects that help you with that, I like pythonz 
> https://github.com/saghul/pythonz
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Seo Brain  > wrote:
>
>> Hi, the question is about which python version suppose to use. On web 
>> server is ubuntu 14.4 - python v3.4 (i assume) with virtualenv, my local is 
>> python v3.5 or may be using v3.4 if i have to keep the same version on web 
>> server ? v3.4 seems has issue to install on one of my windows 7, but no 
>> issue on mac. or may be i suppose to use virtual-box to keep the 
>> environment same everywhere dev and production server ?
>> thanks in advance. Ross
>>
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Re: regarding virtualenv and python version 3.5 or 3.4 or other versions

2017-08-13 Thread Avraham Serour 
I suggest using 3.6, which is the current stable release
if your machine or the server doesn't have this version installed you may
compile it yourself and create the virtualenv for the project from there

There are some projects that help you with that, I like pythonz
https://github.com/saghul/pythonz


On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:33 AM, Seo Brain  wrote:

> Hi, the question is about which python version suppose to use. On web
> server is ubuntu 14.4 - python v3.4 (i assume) with virtualenv, my local is
> python v3.5 or may be using v3.4 if i have to keep the same version on web
> server ? v3.4 seems has issue to install on one of my windows 7, but no
> issue on mac. or may be i suppose to use virtual-box to keep the
> environment same everywhere dev and production server ?
> thanks in advance. Ross
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