Re: [dmarc-ietf] non-mailing list use case for differing header domains

2020-08-04 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On 2020-08-04 6:10 p.m., Dotzero wrote: > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:39 AM Jim Fenton wrote: >> On 8/2/20 5:43 PM, Douglas E. Foster wrote: >>> As to the transparency question, it should be clear that there will be >>> no simple solution to the ML problem. >> >> Actually, there is: If your domain h

Re: [dmarc-ietf] non-mailing list use case for differing header domains

2020-08-04 Thread Dotzero
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:39 AM Jim Fenton wrote: > On 8/2/20 5:43 PM, Douglas E. Foster wrote: > > As to the transparency question, it should be clear that there will be > > no simple solution to the ML problem. > > Actually, there is: If your domain has users that use mailing lists, > don't pub

Re: [dmarc-ietf] non-mailing list use case for differing header domains

2020-08-04 Thread Jim Fenton
On 8/2/20 5:43 PM, Douglas E. Foster wrote: > As to the transparency question, it should be clear that there will be > no simple solution to the ML problem. Actually, there is: If your domain has users that use mailing lists, don't publish 'reject' or 'quarantine' policies. Generally this means t

Re: [dmarc-ietf] non-mailing list use case for differing header domains

2020-08-04 Thread Jim Fenton
On 8/2/20 2:24 PM, John R Levine wrote: >>> If they would provide a way to register a mailing list and the servers >>> from which it comes, and allow DMARC exceptions for traffic from those >>> registered lists, your situation would be much easier? > > If large mail providers were willing to whitel

Re: [dmarc-ietf] non-mailing list use case for differing header domains

2020-08-04 Thread Kurt Andersen (b)
This is a known issue with many calendaring frameworks. Besides the issue of delegates who are sending on behalf of someone in another domain, most calendaring systems send "forwarded" invitations by trying to resend in the name of the event originator. --Kurt _

Re: [dmarc-ietf] non-mailing list use case for differing header domains

2020-08-04 Thread Benny Pedersen
John R Levine skrev den 2020-08-02 23:24: If large mail providers were willing to whitelist known mailing lists we wouldn't need ARC. if no one breaked dkim then we did not need arc See previous messages for why that isn't sufficient. missing arc will not break spf dkim, but it preserves s