Re: [dmarc-ietf] Interoperability sections

2023-07-31 Thread Douglas Foster
About ARC: When evaluating a forwarded message, I want to know the pre-forwarding values of the 4 key identifiers: - Source IP - Helo - MailFrom - From (Reverse DNS is also important, but can be computed at evaluation time.) The pre-forwarding identifiers are needed to apply a correct sender

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Interoperability sections

2023-07-31 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 11:59 AM Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > [...] the idea of demanding all lists the world over start munging From > fields (or whatever mutation we claim is now mandatory) will not happen in > short order no matter how much we wish it would. > Just to be clear, my point here

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Interoperability sections

2023-07-31 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 4:27 AM Douglas Foster < dougfoster.emailstanda...@gmail.com> wrote: > Murray has said that we cannot impose obligations on mailing lists, > because he does not perceive them as DMARC participants. > I don't recall saying that. My perspective is that the "lists are

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Interoperability sections

2023-07-31 Thread Richard Clayton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In message , Douglas Foster writes >Does "Trusted Attestation" have any envisioned implementation other >than an ARC Set? yes ... you may have a relationship with another company which means that you trust them to do DMARC related checks

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Interoperability sections

2023-07-31 Thread Douglas Foster
Does "Trusted Attestation" have any envisioned implementation other than an ARC Set? Murray has said that we cannot impose obligations on mailing lists, because he does not perceive them as DMARC participants. But to my mind, "Trusted Attestation" means that the mailing list SHOULD provide an

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Interoperability sections

2023-07-31 Thread Alessandro Vesely
On Sun 30/Jul/2023 17:20:59 + Barry Leiba wrote: I think Richard’s suggestion would be a fine addition to what’s there now, but not a replacement. I would really prefer MUST in Richard’s text over the SHOULD, given the “trusted attestation”. Agreed. MUST whitelist, otherwise forwarding