Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC bis: ticket 66: define what is means to implement DMARC

2020-06-08 Thread John Levine
In article <3d6f24c7-113d-a096-305e-1490c920c...@gmail.com> you write: >On 6/8/2020 11:18 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> I was trying to suggest that the topic of this ticket (defining conformance >> requirements) should wait for a BCP >and that as a separate topic the terminology should be fixed

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC bis: ticket 66: define what is means to implement DMARC

2020-06-08 Thread Dave Crocker
On 6/8/2020 11:18 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: I was trying to suggest that the topic of this ticket (defining conformance requirements) should wait for a BCP and that as a separate topic the terminology should be fixed in the DMARC bis effort. I think we agree. ahh.  yes.  conformance is

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC bis: ticket 66: define what is means to implement DMARC

2020-06-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
On June 8, 2020 5:54:47 PM UTC, Dave Crocker wrote: >On 6/8/2020 10:49 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: >> I think your point that the terminology needs improvement is valid, >but I >> don't think it's this issue specifically. I think it would make this >issue >> easier to solve in an eventual BCP,

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC bis: ticket 66: define what is means to implement DMARC

2020-06-08 Thread Dave Crocker
On 6/8/2020 10:49 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: I think your point that the terminology needs improvement is valid, but I don't think it's this issue specifically. I think it would make this issue easier to solve in an eventual BCP, but I think it stands on it's own as something we should look

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC bis: ticket 66: define what is means to implement DMARC

2020-06-08 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Monday, June 8, 2020 1:24:21 PM EDT Dave Crocker wrote: > On 6/8/2020 10:21 AM, Seth Blank wrote: > > As Chair, what I'm hearing is that this is a real issue, and may > > need clarification in a BCP, not the primary document. > > Assuming the base DMARC document is modified, I'd strongly

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC bis: ticket 66: define what is means to implement DMARC

2020-06-08 Thread Dave Crocker
On 6/8/2020 10:21 AM, Seth Blank wrote: As Chair, what I'm hearing is that this is a real issue, and may need clarification in a BCP, not the primary document. Assuming the base DMARC document is modified, I'd strongly suggest making these terminology distinctions in that document.

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC bis: ticket 66: define what is means to implement DMARC

2020-06-08 Thread Seth Blank
On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 10:04 AM Dave Crocker wrote: > On 6/8/2020 9:54 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > Conformance requirements to support contracting is not something the IETF > > typically does. I think deferring this to a follow-on BCP is > appropriate. > > > While true, of course, there is a

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC bis: ticket 66: define what is means to implement DMARC

2020-06-08 Thread Dave Crocker
On 6/8/2020 9:54 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: Conformance requirements to support contracting is not something the IETF typically does. I think deferring this to a follow-on BCP is appropriate. While true, of course, there is a continuing confusion between the two sides of protocol exchanges,

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC bis: ticket 66: define what is means to implement DMARC

2020-06-08 Thread David I
a clearer line about whether or not you've implemented it? David From: dmarc on behalf of Seth Blank Sent: 07 June 2020 22:23 To: IETF DMARC WG Subject: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC bis: ticket 66: define what is means to implement DMARC https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dm

Re: [dmarc-ietf] DMARC bis: ticket 66: define what is means to implement DMARC

2020-06-07 Thread John Levine
In article you write: >-=-=-=-=-=- > >https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dmarc/ticket/66 > >Many different entities participate in DMARC, and to each, there is a >different definition of what is needed to "implement" or participate in >DMARC. I would rather put this in a separate non-normative BCP.

[dmarc-ietf] DMARC bis: ticket 66: define what is means to implement DMARC

2020-06-07 Thread Seth Blank
https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dmarc/ticket/66 Many different entities participate in DMARC, and to each, there is a different definition of what is needed to "implement" or participate in DMARC. Should the spec be clear about the different participants, and what it means for each to participate