Re: [dmarc-ietf] Simple authorization offers reasonable control over messaging resources

2015-05-15 Thread MH Michael Hammer (5304)
> -Original Message- > From: Hector Santos [mailto:hsan...@isdg.net] > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 2:04 PM > To: MH Michael Hammer (5304) > Cc: dmarc@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Simple authorization offers reasonable control over > messaging resources >

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Simple authorization offers reasonable control over messaging resources

2015-05-15 Thread Hector Santos
On 5/15/2015 11:07 AM, MH Michael Hammer (5304) wrote: This is one of the reasons I have held back from participating in the discussions/attempts to come up with authorizations for unrelated 3rd parties. Even recognizing the resistance from various quarters, 3rd parties and intermediaries (

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Simple authorization offers reasonable control over messaging resources

2015-05-15 Thread Hector Santos
On 5/15/2015 11:07 AM, MH Michael Hammer (5304) wrote: Maybe, maybe not. Sender is a RFC822 header (since the 80s). Its been around for a long time. Our MLS added it along with the "Error-To" for MLM operations. No option to disable that. I believe we stole the idea from the original listse

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Simple authorization offers reasonable control over messaging resources

2015-05-15 Thread MH Michael Hammer (5304)
> -Original Message- > From: dmarc [mailto:dmarc-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Hector Santos > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 9:09 AM > To: dmarc@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Simple authorization offers reasonable control over > messaging resources > > On

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Simple authorization offers reasonable control over messaging resources

2015-05-15 Thread Hector Santos
On 5/15/2015 2:27 AM, Terry Zink wrote: The Sender header field when present has been defined for decades to represent the sending agent! Maybe, maybe not. Sender is a RFC822 header (since the 80s). Its been around for a long time. Our MLS added it along with the "Error-To" for MLM operatio

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Simple authorization offers reasonable control over messaging resources

2015-05-15 Thread Murray S. Kucherawy
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Terry Zink wrote: > > The Sender header field when present has been defined for > > decades to represent the sending agent! > > Maybe, maybe not. Outlook desktop client shows the Sender: header as > " on behalf of <5322.from>", but neither Hotmail/outlook.com nor

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Simple authorization offers reasonable control over messaging resources

2015-05-14 Thread Terry Zink
it go. -- Terry -Original Message- From: dmarc [mailto:dmarc-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Douglas Otis Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 4:06 PM To: dmarc@ietf.org Subject: [dmarc-ietf] Simple authorization offers reasonable control over messaging resources On 5/14/15 4:54 AM, Murray

[dmarc-ietf] Simple authorization offers reasonable control over messaging resources

2015-05-14 Thread Douglas Otis
On 5/14/15 4:54 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 12:51 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull > wrote: > >> > What gets added from here forward really needs to be as innocuous >> > as possible. I believe we're in a position where things like SPF >> > and DKIM are still young enough