Re: [dmarc-ietf] Solving DMARC damage with User quarantine and Steram-Info tag

2023-04-04 Thread Douglas Foster
As of last Christmas, I am on 100% validation of Mail From:. Previously unseen domains that cannot produce SPF PASS go to system quarantine. After review, acceptable messages get a local policy to provide alternate positive identification, usually of the form:. server domain name, fcDNS on

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Solving DMARC damage with User quarantine and Steram-Info tag

2023-04-03 Thread Jesse Thompson
On Mon, Apr 3, 2023, at 8:30 PM, Douglas Foster wrote: > I described my algorithm because I am surprised that some of these > sub-optimal filtering problems exist. I would have thought the DKIM domain to be a better authenticated identifier than MailFrom domain; messages from ESPs are typically

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Solving DMARC damage with User quarantine and Steram-Info tag

2023-04-03 Thread Douglas Foster
I described my algorithm because I am surprised that some of these sub-optimal filtering problems exist. As a corollary: In an American bar, the bouncer checks I.Ds. on the way in, so that the bartender does not have to check IDs on every drink. Similarly, I assume that a major ESP has

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Solving DMARC damage with User quarantine and Steram-Info tag

2023-04-03 Thread Jesse Thompson
On Sat, Apr 1, 2023, at 9:41 PM, Douglas Foster wrote: > My approach to ESP traffic is simple. I assume that the ESP has authorized > the account indicated by the From address, so I don't worry about Sender > Authentication as long as the message passes SPF based on the ESP domain. > DMARC

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Solving DMARC damage with User quarantine and Steram-Info tag

2023-04-01 Thread Douglas Foster
Thank you Jesse for your comments. You are focusing on the ESP problem, which I had not given much thought. ESP messages My approach to ESP traffic is simple. I assume that the ESP has authorized the account indicated by the From address, so I don't worry about Sender Authentication as long

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Solving DMARC damage with User quarantine and Steram-Info tag

2023-04-01 Thread Jesse Thompson
On Sat, Apr 1, 2023, at 8:04 AM, Douglas Foster wrote: > For purposes of the following discussion, assume that messages from known-bad > senders and messages with unacceptable content have already been blocked. > The question at hand is how to handle Sender Authentication failure when a >

[dmarc-ietf] Solving DMARC damage with User quarantine and Steram-Info tag

2023-04-01 Thread Douglas Foster
For purposes of the following discussion, assume that messages from known-bad senders and messages with unacceptable content have already been blocked. The question at hand is how to handle Sender Authentication failure when a message has no other objectionable characteristics. There are three