Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC)

2015-03-26 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Franck Martin writes: 2) Mailing lists should be able to differentiate between an Hard bounce and a Soft bounce (by now). http://www.iana.org/assignments/smtp-enhanced-status-codes/smtp-enhanced-status-codes.xhtml is 7 years old now. They can, but the problem that caused

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC)

2015-03-26 Thread J. Gomez
On Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:08 AM [GMT+1=CET], Hector Santos wrote: SPF had a strong REJECTION concept with RFC4408 and with the latest spec RFC7202, it was relaxed with allowing for quarantining ideas (mail separation). RFC7208 made RFC4408 more costly by adding more complexity for an

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC)

2015-03-26 Thread J. Gomez
On Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:08 AM [GMT+1=CET], Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: J. Gomez writes: But I would love to be able to reliably rely on DMARC's p=reject. Even if you can in practice, you can't get to 100.0%. Even at ducks-in-a-row sites like

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC)

2015-03-26 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: J. Gomez jgo...@seryrich.com That is why, in my view, DMARC's p=reject has to either be reliable to be relied on, or be suppressed from DMARC's formal specification if it is going to mainly be equal to p=do-whatever. when you see a p=reject and DMARC

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC)

2015-03-26 Thread Steven M Jones
On 03/26/2015 04:22 PM, Franck Martin wrote: What I learn for all the combinations: It does not change much, people still ignore my posts :P Franck, that's wy outside the charter of this working group... ___ dmarc mailing list dmarc@ietf.org

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC)

2015-03-26 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: Steven M Jones s...@crash.com To: dmarc@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:38:08 PM Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC) On 03/26/2015 04:22 PM, Franck Martin wrote: What I learn for all the combinations: It does not change

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC)

2015-03-26 Thread Michael Jack Assels
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:23:08 PDT, Murray S. Kucherawy superu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 1:21 PM, J. Gomez jgo...@seryrich.com wrote: If DMARC is going to increase support costs for small email operators, I may as well migrate all my clients to Google Apps or Office 365

Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC)

2015-03-26 Thread Franck Martin
- Original Message - From: Michael Jack Assels mjass...@encs.concordia.ca To: Murray S. Kucherawy superu...@gmail.com Cc: dmarc@ietf.org, J. Gomez jgo...@seryrich.com Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 4:12:13 PM Subject: Re: [dmarc-ietf] Next steps for RFC 7489 (DMARC) On Thu, 26 Mar