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From: dmarc-discuss [mailto:dmarc-discuss-boun...@dmarc.org] On Behalf Of Al 
Iverson via dmarc-discuss
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2018 9:33 AM
To: dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org
Subject: Re: [dmarc-discuss] General DMARC weakness - personal forwarding

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On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 5:11 AM, Vittorio Bertola via dmarc-discuss
<dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org<mailto:dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org>> wrote:
>> Il 23 maggio 2018 alle 9.43 Alessandro Vesely via dmarc-discuss 
>> <dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org<mailto:dmarc-discuss@dmarc.org>> ha scritto:
>>
>> ARC will allow message modifications. However, it will require that 
>> Google/Apple/etc recognize SomeCo as a trusted forwarder, in order to 
>> believe reported authentication results.
>
> This is actually an area of concern to us: how will small scale operations, 
> like a server that only hosts a handful of mailing lists for local non 
> profits / open source projects / amateur groups etc, be able to be recognized 
> as trusted ARC intermediaries? The big players have reputation systems that 
> could be used for this as well, but what about everyone else? The risk is to 
> prompt more centralization in email services, which is not how the Internet 
> should work - or to prompt people to use instant messaging groups instead.

Those entities can handle it the same way they do today - rewriting
headers to become the sender, so any authentication falls to them.
This is basically already settled, if you want to run a mailing list
today and you want to maximize delivery of the mail, you have to do
this. Like this very list does.

Maybe the small guys will have to keep using this method?

I am curious to know the answer to your question. But also, I run a
small number of mailing lists myself, just fine, without ARC. So I am
not worried about having to directly support ARC. Maybe my opinion on
that will change? But for now, that is what it is.

Regards,
Al Iverson

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