Re: [DMM] re-charter text updated

2014-03-21 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
Hi Pete,

 I really don't think we should force DHCP to re-run on every handover.
I thought one of the motivations for network-based mobility was to
minimize the signaling to the MN during handover.


In the current mobility models we have two DHCP deployment models.  a.)
DHCP server in the access. b.) DHCP Relay in the access

For #a, it is the dominant model. The DHCP server is collocated on the
access gateway; the interworking between the DHCP server and the mobility
function in the access gateway allows the network to offer the same IP
address to the mobile node. After each handoff and based on DNA
considerations, the MN may go into DHCP INIT-REBOOT followed by
Request/reply. I don't know if I should call this as complete Re-Run after
each handoff, but at least the current data suggests the handoff latency
related to this same-link validation is insignificant. Now, from coloring
perspective, the DHCP server in the access network can potentially change
the properties of the address. MN is on a new world, new access network,
new link and hence some changes to the properties.

For #b, we continue to route the DHCP lease renewal messages back to the
network where the MN obtained its address. Typically its tunneled to the
anchor. Here I see your point of not impacting the DHCP state machine by
changing properties based on MN's movement. But, if the DHCP server is
aware of changes to properties, can it not send the updated properties ?

We have to look at properties as meta-data that goes with an IP
address/prefix. This meta-data should not have any relation to the DHCP
state machine. But, some properties of that address do change, based on
MN's movement, mobility state changes ..etc. If the DHCP server is aware
of these property change, IMO, it should reflect the updated properties.

I'm more interested in #a and not deal with this issue at all. But, if we
insert a property element in PIO, we should do that consistently and have
that in DHCP as well.



Regards
Sri
 




 



On 3/20/14 5:37 PM, Peter McCann peter.mcc...@huawei.com wrote:

Hi, Sri,

Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote:
 
 
 
 
 On 3/20/14 5:54 AM, Peter McCann peter.mcc...@huawei.com wrote:
 
 I think our extensions should be to the prefix information option and
 not DHCP.
 
 The properties of an address may change after a handover and we should
 not couple the DHCP state machine (which is about lease renewal) to the
 handover state machine.
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 This is a good comment. If we are making any assumption that even
 after a handover, the DHCP transactions are still hitting the same
 DHCP server node, this may be a valid concern. But, if DHCP
 transactions are locally terminated after handover (Ex: RFC5844/MAG),
 then the updated properties can be provided as part of the new DHCP
 transaction. Some parameters such as MTU settings do change after an
 handover and so we can probably agree that address properties can
change as well.
 
 
 Regards
 Sri

I really don't think we should force DHCP to re-run on every handover.  I
thought
one of the motivations for network-based mobility was to minimize the
signaling
to the MN during handover.

-Pete



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Re: [DMM] re-charter text updated

2014-03-21 Thread Jouni Korhonen

Ryuji,



On Mar 20, 2014, at 4:55 PM, Ryuji Wakikawa ryuji.wakik...@gmail.com wrote:

 Jouni
 
 It’s good to see some room for non-MIP based solution in DMM;-)
 
 One clarification, the charter said following
 
  Specifically, when solutions are not
  based on IP mobility protocols, the DMM workingvgroup shall cooperate
  with other IETF working groups working on other technologies that
  might allow the mobility of an end host. These working groups include
  but are not limited to I2rs, Lisp, and Forces.
 
 If we need to extend existing non-MIP protocols, it is reasonable to 
 do extension in the working group owning the protocol. I agree on the charter.
 
 However, DMM should work on documenting “how to use it”.  The document should 
 be informational or experimental.  Is this scope of DMM? 

In a case some DMMish feature depends on a work done by other WG
and it is used then in a DMM specific way, that should be documented
in DMM document. This is specifically the case if the feature or
extension done in other WG can be used also for other than DMM
purposes.

 
 btw, you may add IDR in the listed of working group.

Ok.

- Jouni

 
 thanks
 ryuji
 
 
 2014/03/17 午後3:41、Jouni Korhonen jouni.nos...@gmail.com のメール:
 
 Folks,
 
 I have updated the charter draft text slightly:
 https://github.com/jounikor/dmm-re-charter/blob/master/recharter_draft.txt
 
 Basically:
 
 Added Sri's comment on PMIPv6 maintenance.
 Added Alper's comment of location of mobility functions.
 Added links to other IETF WGs on possible mobility enabling technologies.
 Added a comment that virtualised network functions are in scope.
 
 - Jouni
 
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