[DMM] WG adoption (was Re: DMM solution space)

2014-07-17 Thread Alper Yegin
Folks, Let's change gears. We'd like to propose draft-yegin-dmm-ondemand-mobility-02 for WG adoption. This draft falls under the following deliverable: Exposing mobility state to mobile nodes and network nodes: define solutions that allow, for example, mobile nodes to select

Re: [DMM] demand for DMM traffic steering

2014-07-17 Thread Marco Liebsch
I am only about functions, not picky about terms. But with certain terms there is some expectation of the function behind. We need to be clear about the roles of both, access and home DPA for mobility management and assess their role in driving the different DMM scenarios. marco From: Sri

Re: [DMM] DMM solution space

2014-07-17 Thread Jouni Korhonen
Since you are collecting the list, there is one PMIPv6 extension that deals with access network short lived addresses (where MAG would be the access DPA): draft-korhonen-dmm-local-prefix-01 I think it belongs to Anchoring IP address within the access network using IP-in-IP tunneling in your

Re: [DMM] Fwd: IETF 90 Preliminary Agenda

2014-07-17 Thread Jouni Korhonen
Folks, The agenda has been updated.. no more requests allowed (running out of time). The allocated times for slots are still subject to change, mainly to take minutes away from those who have plenty to those who have less.. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/90/agenda/agenda-90-dmm The agenda

Re: [DMM] WG adoption (was Re: DMM solution space)

2014-07-17 Thread Alper Yegin
Hi Jouni, We cannot have an official approval of the documents, but what we can do is: - check the WG to see if they are willing to accept a document, based on the assumption that the new charter would be approved - if the WG is OK, then when the charter is approved, we can double check on the

Re: [DMM] IETF 90 Preliminary Agenda

2014-07-17 Thread Alper Yegin
16:05 - 16:15 New proposal, Alper (10 minutes) The new proposal here is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yegin-ip-mobility-orchestrator/ (Jouni, I'd appreciate if you can fix the online agenda as well). Alper On Jul 17, 2014, at 7:36 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: Folks, The

Re: [DMM] WG adoption (was Re: DMM solution space)

2014-07-17 Thread Jouni Korhonen
Lets get the charter approved first. - jouni 7/17/2014 7:42 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti: Hi Jouni, We cannot have an official approval of the documents, but what we can do is: - check the WG to see if they are willing to accept a document, based on the assumption that the new charter would be

Re: [DMM] demand for DMM traffic steering

2014-07-17 Thread Alper Yegin
Intense reading… :-) Lot of abstractions, which I can only follow by relating to specific solutions. In my understanding, what Sri is describing is about how to apply UP/CP separation to various DMM solutions. In the examples I see a number of DMM solutions defined with UP/CP separation using

Re: [DMM] WG adoption (was Re: DMM solution space)

2014-07-17 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
I'm in favor of this approach. This was my suggestion as well in the past (when we presented prefix coloring spec) to move forward some documents. But, those should be documents which are considered common across multiple solution approaches. The issue seems to be charter approval. Sri On

Re: [DMM] demand for DMM traffic steering

2014-07-17 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
Understood. If there is agreement on the functional roles, the terms can be worked out. Sri From: Marco Liebsch marco.lieb...@neclab.eumailto:marco.lieb...@neclab.eu Date: Thursday, July 17, 2014 8:30 AM To: Sri Gundavelli sgund...@cisco.commailto:sgund...@cisco.com, Hirschman, Brent B [CTO]

Re: [DMM] demand for DMM traffic steering

2014-07-17 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
I do not know your definition of approach vs solution, but one can argue DMM itself is about a deployment model and an approach. I always insisted its less of a protocol work and more about a tying many aspects. So, what we have been discussing is a solution approach which has the essential

Re: [DMM] demand for DMM traffic steering

2014-07-17 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
Hi Pierrick, Using the term Anchor in Access DPA is not a minor issue IMHO, because it implicitly assimilates anchoring and traffic redirection function. I'm fine with the removal of the Anchor term from the Access DPA. Access Gateway, Data Plane Redirection function ..(except Locator or

Re: [DMM] demand for DMM traffic steering

2014-07-17 Thread Alper Yegin
Sri, PMIP is a solution. You can apply SDN approach to it by splitting CP and DP. For example, a draft like draft-bernardos-dmm-pmip-03 talks about access network anchoring. And you can apply SDN to it (as you already mentioned jun your examples on this thread), or not. Alper On Jul

Re: [DMM] WG adoption (was Re: DMM solution space)

2014-07-17 Thread Alper Yegin
On Jul 17, 2014, at 9:11 PM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote: I'm in favor of this approach. This was my suggestion as well in the past (when we presented prefix coloring spec) to move forward some documents. But, those should be documents which are considered common across multiple solution

Re: [DMM] demand for DMM traffic steering

2014-07-17 Thread Alper Yegin
Sri, You SDNize a solution, then co-locate two entities, and voila the mobility protocol vanishes, and all that's left is OpenFlow. That's why there's no mobility protocol in that picture. It'd really be good if we see your solution documented, it's not easy to fully grasp it in a QA style.

Re: [DMM] WG adoption (was Re: DMM solution space)

2014-07-17 Thread Behcet Sarikaya
Hi Alper, draft-sarikaya-dmm-for-wifi- 00.txt does not use anchoring, I don't know how many times I should tell? It simply extends vEPC, so it should be classified wherever vEPC is classified, and I don't care where. Regards, Behcet On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 2:45 PM, Alper Yegin

Re: [DMM] demand for DMM traffic steering

2014-07-17 Thread Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
Alper, What we broadly agreed in Nov/Mar IETF's (based on offline discussion) to go with a design group approach. Approach of Individual I-D's, comparing them, selecting the best will go no where, IMO. There are like dozen proposal on the table. With that goal in mind we have had several conf

Re: [DMM] WG adoption (was Re: DMM solution space)

2014-07-17 Thread Jouni Korhonen
The list is still missing draft-korhonen-dmm-local-prefix-01. - Jouni 7/17/2014 10:45 PM, Alper Yegin kirjoitti: On Jul 17, 2014, at 9:11 PM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote: I'm in favor of this approach. This was my suggestion as well in the past (when we presented prefix coloring spec)