Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:05:03 +0100 John Crisp jcr...@safeandsoundit.co.uk wrote: I read the following article a while back and the one reply that really actually made the most sense to me and summed up my feelings that there are wider political issues at stake - this was on page 3 of the

[Dng] The Onion Principle

2015-02-19 Thread Noel Torres
After reading the whole keep as close to debian as possible thread, and in my well-known spirit of resuming threads, I think we can benefit from the Principle of the Onion. At first stage (Devuan Jessie), we'll use a pinned repository with our desinfected packages, to provide our users (that's

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread karl
Steve Litt: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:28:58 +0100 (CET) k...@aspodata.se wrote: At second thought, I'll first try to factor out udev completely -- or rather -- make the system to be *dev agnostic. Karl, please document your experiment so that some of us can follow in your footsteps. I

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread karl
Isaac Dunham (Mon, 16 Feb 2015 07:06:59): On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 08:44:22PM +, Luke Leighton wrote: ... Thanks to your write-up, I've gotten Xorg working sans udev (actually, simulated via overmounting with tmpfs and running mdev). FYI, *this* was why I included devinfo in libsysdev: for

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread karl
Dragan FOSS: Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 16:27:55 + From: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton l...@lkcl.net To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop Message-ID:

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread karl
Luke Leighton l...@lkcl.net: karl at aspodata.se writes: Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton lkcl at lkcl.net: http://lkcl.net/reports/removing_systemd_from_debian/ I'll try that. awesome. if you'd like to keep in touch (through this list if that's ok with the dng team?) i can perhaps

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread karl
Luke Leighton: karl please refresh and double-check the update for pulseaudio, I don't need pulseaudio, sorry. Regards, /Karl Hammar --- Aspö Data Lilla Aspö 148 S-742 94 Östhammar Sweden +46 173 140 57

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-19 Thread Gravis
it's my understanding that most additions to the kernel from hardware companies are for drivers. i can only assume the rest are for new features they want to use or random bug fixes. i think the linux kernel itself is safe from needless radical changes because the linux kernel people actually

Re: [Dng] About Devuan's audience

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 18 Feb 2015 20:26:06 + Nuno Magalhães nunomagalh...@eu.ipp.pt wrote: I'm here because i want choice and i like stuff to be modular and open, not closed and monolithic (unless we're talking about Clarke's 2001). Nuno, You've just almost completely described my intentions in one

Re: [Dng] The Onion Principle

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:48:12 + Noel Torres env...@rolamasao.org wrote: To resume the principle: The best way to create a very complex project is to add one layer at a time. I like it! Life's a journey, and a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. SteveT Steve Litt

Re: [Dng] successfully manually removing systemd and libsystemd0 from debian and still maintaining a working desktop

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 17:28:58 +0100 (CET) k...@aspodata.se wrote: At second thought, I'll first try to factor out udev completely -- or rather -- make the system to be *dev agnostic. Karl, please document your experiment so that some of us can follow in your footsteps. A no udev box isn't

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-19 Thread John Crisp
On 19/02/15 13:36, hal wrote: Hello all, and great work on the Alpha! I am tagging this off-topic as it doesn't really pertain to Devuan development except in a tangential aspect. I've always thought it a bit odd that just a handful of people, leading certain Open Source projects, could

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-19 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:05:03 +0100 John Crisp jcr...@safeandsoundit.co.uk wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/01/ttsystemdtt_row_ends_with_debian_getting_forked/ Wow, this article (the article itself, not the replies) has a mislead right off the bat: The dispute centred on plans to

Re: [Dng] OT: Linux kernel and the force behind it

2015-02-19 Thread John Crisp
On 19/02/15 18:38, Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 19 Feb 2015 18:05:03 +0100 John Crisp jcr...@safeandsoundit.co.uk wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/01/ttsystemdtt_row_ends_with_debian_getting_forked/ Trade mag journalists. Can't live with them, can't live without them. :-) LOl -