Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

2015-04-30 Thread James Powell
Symlinking /bin to /usr/bin only seems like they are trying for a unified tree approach which is an ill design. If that's the case they should just install everything in /opt in it's own micro-tree/branch. Yes, it doesn't make sense because you have to use an initramfs if you use a separated

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

2015-04-30 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 30/04/2015 01:27, Joerg Reisenweber a écrit : On Wed 29 April 2015 23:46:51 Didier Kryn wrote: They decided to put them on the second disk which contained user data and was therefore mounted at /usr AFAIK that's Unix System Resources or somesuch, not User Maybe it's true, but it sounds

Re: [Dng] About (k)dbus in LKML

2015-04-30 Thread James Powell
The discussion has not been favorable towards the adoption from current reading on LKML. Past tests have not proven reliability, nor any significant increase of speed of messaging across the IPC. Linus seems to be of no love for it. IMO from the collective discussion, kdbus doesn't seem to be

Re: [Dng] acpi and systemd

2015-04-30 Thread James Powell
Having watched other systems transitioning to systemd, I wouldn't be surprised if they did, or the projects get pushed into forced deprecation as ConsoleKit did before it was revived. -Jim Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 08:19:25 -0400 From: hend...@topoi.pooq.com To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject:

Re: [Dng] About (k)dbus in LKML

2015-04-30 Thread Brad Campbell
On 28/04/15 21:00, Alex 'AdUser' Z wrote: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9450806 Hot discussion about merging kdbus in kernel. TL;DR: The people who talk about how kdbus improves performance are just full of sh*t. (c) Linus It is certainly a deep and wide ranging thread. When looked at

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

2015-04-30 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Thu 30 April 2015 10:12:30 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: From the FreeBSD point of view: https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/books/handbook/dirstructure.html and here is more (sorry to link to the obvious): http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html (possibly outdated, I didn't check for a

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

2015-04-30 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 30/04/2015 13:21, Joerg Reisenweber a écrit : and here is more (sorry to link to the obvious): http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html (possibly outdated, I didn't check for a long time) Thanks Joerg, for recalling the link. This FHS is nothing more than a summary of current

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

2015-04-30 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Thu 30 April 2015 15:30:06 Didier Kryn wrote: This FHS is nothing more than a summary of current practice; it does not contain any sound rationale I beg to differ on that, to me it seems it has all the sound rationale it needs, to for example understand why /bin should have commands

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

2015-04-30 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Thu 30 April 2015 19:02:54 Laurent Bercot wrote: /sbin/route is not inherently better than /bin/route; we are just used to /sbin/route and inertia does the rest - but it would actually be *simpler* to just move everything to /bin and /usr/bin and be rid of /sbin and /usr/sbin altogether. It

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

2015-04-30 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Thu 30 April 2015 19:02:54 Laurent Bercot wrote: - Made sense at the time, doesn't make sense today: the separation between administrator commands (/sbin, /usr/sbin) and user commands (/bin, /usr/bin). Back then, filesystems were slow and scaled badly, caches were small, and it was costly

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

2015-04-30 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Thu 30 April 2015 19:02:54 Laurent Bercot wrote: It would also shorten PATHs, which would be a definite blessing on some systems. I guess - just like you said, and according to RFC2119 SHOULD (NOT) - you could simply symlink /sbin to /bin on your system when there's a good reason for doing

Re: [Dng] acpi and systemd

2015-04-30 Thread Jaromil
On April 29, 2015 1:19:25 PM GMT+01:00, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 12:31:16AM +0200, Franco Lanza wrote: On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 05:16:42PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: acpid and acpi-support-base have already been removed from tasksel. We

Re: [Dng] Feedback installing Devuan through debootstrap in Debian Testing.

2015-04-30 Thread David Hare
On 01/05/15 01:32, Franco Lanza wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 01:44:47AM +0100, David Hare wrote: debootstrap --exclude systemd,systemd-sysv,libsystemd0 jessie . without specifying a URL is working here (are the excludes needed?) However after I chroot it and apt update: W: GPG error:

Re: [Dng] About (k)dbus in LKML

2015-04-30 Thread Jude Nelson
Hi James, On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 4:26 AM, James Powell james4...@hotmail.com wrote: The discussion has not been favorable towards the adoption from current reading on LKML. Past tests have not proven reliability, nor any significant increase of speed of messaging across the IPC. Linus seems

Re: [Dng] Feedback installing Devuan through debootstrap in Debian Testing.

2015-04-30 Thread Jaret Cantu
Edward Bartolo edb...@gmail.com writes: I replaced stable with jessie as follows. debootstrap did better but failed. These are the results: # debootstrap --arch amd64 jessie /mnt/sda8 http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ I: Extracting util-linux... W: Failure trying to run: chroot

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

2015-04-30 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 30/04/2015 22:35, Joerg Reisenweber wrote: exactly this PATH issue is what I expect and appreciate here: I do NOT expect command autocompletion of normal user to get confused by command names that are not supposed to even be in user's PATH 0700 for root-only binaries would hide them from

Re: [Dng] [dng] vdev status updates

2015-04-30 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 30/04/2015 20:16, John Morris a écrit : The FHS was carefully designed to accomodate things like NFS root, readonly NFS mounting of parts of the system, mandating things like */share/ to only contain arch neutral data, etc. The whole FH can be shared by NFS root, except /var, which