Re: [DNG] Call for devuan 1.0 "jessie" beta

2015-07-09 Thread Daniel Reurich
On 10/07/15 12:32, Franco Lanza wrote: What we miss for beta?: --- - many packages depends on libsystemd0 or other components. We need to use override and/or rebuild them to remove systemd dependency, at least for default install and commonly used daemons. * cups is

[DNG] Call for devuan 1.0 "jessie" beta

2015-07-09 Thread Franco Lanza
Hello all. I think is time to draw a line and list what we have and what we miss to release a beta for jessie I ask all active developers/contributors to fix any error in my list and to comment if anything isn't as i write. first a couple of things about jessie in devuan: - default DE will b

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 01:36:23PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > By the way, I have no personal knowledge of how many actor sockets a > listener socket can spawn off, but if I had to guess, I'd imagine 50 > would be way too low a number, if for no other reason than none of my > current and former ISPs

Re: [DNG] Systemd-free MATE

2015-07-09 Thread Jaret Cantu
Both those packages were already scrubbed and put in the Devuan git, albeit just the stable releases. Where exactly are your MATE packages? The search doesn't pull them up, so I am assuming off the Debuan site. Or maybe they were marked as private? ~jaret On 07/09/2015 09:10 AM, Mitt wrot

[DNG] Mail writing interfaces / processes on Linux (was: systemd in wheezy)

2015-07-09 Thread Laurent Bercot
On 09/07/2015 19:36, Steve Litt wrote: I know what you mean. In the past 9 months I've seen a huge uptick in ambuification in emails, to the point where many times, you don't know who said what, and it looks like the person is arguing with himself, with temporal dislocations thrown in as people t

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 03:23:25AM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: > > > > > From: James Powell >> Systemd is not the answer to GNU/Linux any more than BusyBox is, and by all >> technicality, systemd is just an unmatured BusyBox. > While there are some analogies, systemd is definitely not an “un

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 11:01:15AM -0700, James Powell wrote: [cut] > > 3. Systemd requires udev to be viable, but udev and GNU/Linux do not need > systemd to be viable. If we can effectively, and fully, replace udev and > break the stranglehold it has had over systems for so long, systemd and

Re: [DNG] FW: systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Go Linux
On Thu, 7/9/15, T.J. Duchene wrote: Subject: [DNG] FW: systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer To: "'dng'" Date: Thursday, July 9, 2015, 12:14 PM > -Original Message- > From: T.J. Duchene [mailto:t.j.duch...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 12:14 PM > To: 'Teodoro Santoni'

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread James Powell
I don't care about the context of the formatting, as my mobile can receive any type of email and I never use a client on my computer other than a web browser, but I do care for the message itself and it's content. But I'll revamp what my points were: 1. GNU is an operating system, and Linux is

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:21:51 +0100 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > kato...@freaknet.org writes: > > And as a caveman, I would also very much appreciate a sensible > > quoting, even if it seems that this little thing has become too > > harsh to ask and too hard to obtain in the last few years... > > AOL

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 12:04:27 +0100 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > > Context? Who said anything about fifty? > > T.J. Duchene about a half-hour before my posting, I think. Ah, sorry, that explains it, I don't receive his emails. Anyway, I'd consider it a personal favor to myself

[DNG] FW: systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread T.J. Duchene
> -Original Message- > From: T.J. Duchene [mailto:t.j.duch...@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 12:14 PM > To: 'Teodoro Santoni' > Subject: RE: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer > > > > > > > > > And as a caveman, I would also very much appreciate a sensible > > > > > quot

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Teodoro Santoni
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 03:23:33PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 03:36:15PM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote: > > [cut] > > > > And as a caveman, I would also very much appreciate a sensible > > > quoting, even if it seems that this little thing has become too harsh > > > to ask and

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 03:36:15PM +0200, Teodoro Santoni wrote: [cut] > > And as a caveman, I would also very much appreciate a sensible > > quoting, even if it seems that this little thing has become too harsh > > to ask and too hard to obtain in the last few years... > > Believe me, the text/

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Teodoro Santoni
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 09:52:07AM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Fifty processes, you say... > > ftp.cdrom.com was a single freebsd server, and it served around 10k > simultaneous users in the nineties. There were 10k processes, each of which > was actively performing disk and network I/O. > >

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Teodoro Santoni
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 12:12:37PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 12:04:27PM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > > Steve Litt writes: > > >Context? Who said anything about fifty? > > > > T.J. Duchene about a half-hour before my posting, I think. > > > > I might be wrong. The quoting

[DNG] Systemd-free MATE

2015-07-09 Thread Mitt
Hi everyone, I guess here are some GNOME 2 fans, I've made previously libsystemd0-dependent packages (mate-screensaver and mate-session-manager) free of it. The only problem is that Mate 1.10 is still in experimental, so I marked these packages as UNRELEASED in changelog (there is 1.8 in uns

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 02:34:53PM +0200, Philip Lacroix wrote: > Am 09.07.2015 13:12 schrieb KatolaZ: > >That's why I, the caveman, has always "suggested" to accept only text > >emails in public MLs, and send the rest to /dev/null, including html > >and attachments... > > > >And as a caveman, I wo

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Philip Lacroix
Am 09.07.2015 13:12 schrieb KatolaZ: That's why I, the caveman, has always "suggested" to accept only text emails in public MLs, and send the rest to /dev/null, including html and attachments... And as a caveman, I would also very much appreciate a sensible quoting, even if it seems that this li

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
kato...@freaknet.org writes: And as a caveman, I would also very much appreciate a sensible quoting, even if it seems that this little thing has become too harsh to ask and too hard to obtain in the last few years... AOL. How about filtering away all mail whose subject already contains [DNG] b

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 12:04:27PM +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > >Context? Who said anything about fifty? > > T.J. Duchene about a half-hour before my posting, I think. > > I might be wrong. The quoting was difficult to decipher, since that > message uses HTML colour codin

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Steve Litt writes: Context? Who said anything about fifty? T.J. Duchene about a half-hour before my posting, I think. I might be wrong. The quoting was difficult to decipher, since that message uses HTML colour coding to indicate quoting, and the're are quoted blocks from James Powell, who i

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Steve Litt
On Thu, 9 Jul 2015 09:52:07 +0100 Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Fifty processes, you say... > > ftp.cdrom.com was a single freebsd server, and it served around 10k > simultaneous users in the nineties. There were 10k processes, each of > which was actively performing disk and network I/O. > > Ther

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Arnt Gulbrandsen
Fifty processes, you say... ftp.cdrom.com was a single freebsd server, and it served around 10k simultaneous users in the nineties. There were 10k processes, each of which was actively performing disk and network I/O. There is a limit to how many processes one can run on a single server with

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread T.J. Duchene
From: James Powell [mailto:james4...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 2:37 PM To: T.J. Duchene; 'dng' Subject: RE: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer I also do not think recreating SVCHOST is wise. I followed Windows since 2000 and since then SVCHOST has pulled in more a

Re: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

2015-07-09 Thread Jaromil
On Wed, 08 Jul 2015, T.J. Duchene wrote: >The management of many of the binary distributions has fallen to >groups of people rather obsessed with driving Linux as a competitor >to Windows.  this is exactly how I see it and the reason why projects like GNOME or GStreamer made me less a