On 01/01/2016 03:06 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote:
> So the potteringisation continues...
>
> Are we going to allow this sort of behaviour into Devuan??
>
I have no say in the matter, but I do feel free to express my opinion
here. (-:
Devuan _is_, at least at this point, "Debian without systemd", and
Regardless of who proposed it, merged /usr is still a reckless change that
needlessly complicates things.
The /usr and / split hasn't been perfectly followed, ever, but, still
achieves the goal of having a system that can be recovered from various
problems easily.
I should be able to substitute /
On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 23:32:40 +0100
Micky Del Favero wrote:
> Daniel Reurich writes:
>
> > No, rather freedesktop.org and Poettering are largely synonomous.
> > Most of what is proposed there lately is mostly either from
> > Poettering or his minions and a lot of what they propose is crap at
> >
On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 21:47:57 +0100
Micky Del Favero wrote:
> Steve Litt writes:
>
> > This *is* poetterization, regardless of what Sun or anyone else did
> > before. It's supported by Freedesktop.org, and I think everyone here
> > can agree that anything Freedesktop supports is anti-init choice
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 19:33:41 +0100
Didier Kryn wrote:
> Le 01/01/2016 18:07, Steve Litt a écrit :
> > On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 15:45:49 +0100
> > Micky Del Favero wrote:
> >
> >> Daniel Reurich writes:
> >>
> >>> So the potteringisation continues...
> >> If I remember well Solaris has /bin link
Quoting this with a useful subject.
Simon Wise wrote:
> I have been using dmenu for some time now ... with a couple of other tools
> that allow for a few tweaks to DEs to make them more comfortable for me, or
> indeed to set up kiosk style environments without any DE required at all.
> Use xbindke
Daniel Reurich writes:
> No, rather freedesktop.org and Poettering are largely synonomous.
> Most of what is proposed there lately is mostly either from Poettering
> or his minions and a lot of what they propose is crap at best and
> destructive to the non-systemd ecosystem at worst.
ok, but "a
On 02/01/16 09:47, Micky Del Favero wrote:
> Steve Litt writes:
>
>> This *is* poetterization, regardless of what Sun or anyone else
>> did before. It's supported by Freedesktop.org, and I think everyone
>> here can agree that anything Freedesktop supports is anti-init
>> choice, anti-simplicity,
Steve Litt writes:
> This *is* poetterization, regardless of what Sun or anyone else did
> before. It's supported by Freedesktop.org, and I think everyone here
> can agree that anything Freedesktop supports is anti-init choice,
> anti-simplicity, anti-modularity, and pro-systemd.
So anything fre
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 20:48:13 +0100
richard lucassen wrote:
> And of course, as suggested by Didier, build in a few popular
> filesystems. In these cases an initrd can be omitted. That keeps
> things simple IMHO.
s/filesystems/hardware drivers/
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Didier Kryn writes:
> Le 01/01/2016 20:05, Rainer Weikusat a écrit :
>> richard lucassen writes:
>>> Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> Plus the drivers for various hardware like cciss devices, just
> having ext4 built in is not enough. Wouldn't it be better to have a
> simple initramfs with j
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 20:23:21 +0100
richard lucassen wrote:
> Ok, I think we agree. But as OP said: it would be very nice to get rid
> of initramfs. But for a distribution kernel this would be almost
> undoable. So what about the idea to just have an initrd containing all
> necessary modules for mo
Le 01/01/2016 20:05, Rainer Weikusat a écrit :
richard lucassen writes:
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
Plus the drivers for various hardware like cciss devices, just
having ext4 built in is not enough. Wouldn't it be better to have a
simple initramfs with just the apropiate modules for the hardware?
On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 19:05:24 +
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> > Of course, but I presume that we're talking about a kernel that
> > will be distributed by Devuan. If you build in hardware drivers for
> > all different types of hardware, the kernel gets somewhat big
> > IMHO ;-)
>
> Some signals cr
On Fri, Jan 01, 2016 at 08:02:42PM +0100, richard lucassen wrote:
> And after all I would certainly not give up a seperate /boot fs. A
> separate /boot fs is very handy when running multi Linux system sharing
> the same /boot (e.g. in my case, the lilo.conf is there and is
> symlinked from all /etc
richard lucassen writes:
> Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>> > Plus the drivers for various hardware like cciss devices, just
>> > having ext4 built in is not enough. Wouldn't it be better to have a
>> > simple initramfs with just the apropiate modules for the hardware?
>>
>> No computer I've either bee
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 18:46:05 +
John Rigg wrote:
> The 1024 cylinder boundary was why a separate /boot partition at the
> start of the disc became common, but still doesn't explain why an
> initrd.img became necessary. I used to know this stuff but it was a
> long time ago :-)
And after all I
On Fri, Jan 01, 2016 at 06:32:34PM +, Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> John Rigg writes:
> > On Fri, Jan 01, 2016 at 12:26:41PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> >> If / is formatted ext4, it can be mounted directly by a kernel with ext4
> >> drivers, no initramfs needed.
> >
> > Wasn't the original reason f
On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 18:42:08 +
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> > Plus the drivers for various hardware like cciss devices, just
> > having ext4 built in is not enough. Wouldn't it be better to have a
> > simple initramfs with just the apropiate modules for the hardware?
>
> No computer I've either
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 15:28:45 +0100
richard lucassen wrote:
Forget it. I overlooked the "readme" tab ;-)
> Hello list,
>
> Is vdev already available somewhere as a package in ascii?
>
> # apt-get install vdev
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state infor
richard lucassen writes:
> Rainer Weikusat wrote:
>
>> For a real deployment, this is usually just humbug and can be replaced
>> with a kernel containing the drivers necessary for mounting a root
>> filesystem.
>
> Plus the drivers for various hardware like cciss devices, just having
> ext4 built
On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 18:18:38 +
Rainer Weikusat wrote:
> For a real deployment, this is usually just humbug and can be replaced
> with a kernel containing the drivers necessary for mounting a root
> filesystem.
Plus the drivers for various hardware like cciss devices, just having
ext4 built i
Le 01/01/2016 18:07, Steve Litt a écrit :
On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 15:45:49 +0100
Micky Del Favero wrote:
Daniel Reurich writes:
So the potteringisation continues...
If I remember well Solaris has /bin linked to /usr/bin since many
years, so linking /bin to /usr/bin is not a poetteringisation,
John Rigg writes:
> On Fri, Jan 01, 2016 at 12:26:41PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
>> If / is formatted ext4, it can be mounted directly by a kernel with ext4
>> drivers, no initramfs needed.
>
> Wasn't the original reason for having an initrd that the boot loader,
> probably LILO at the time, couldn
John Rigg wrote:
> Wasn't the original reason for having an initrd that the boot loader,
> probably LILO at the time, couldn't handle a kernel image above a
> certain size?
I suspect you are thinking of the problem that it couldn't access sectors past
a certain point due to limitation in the BI
Steve Litt writes:
[...]
> If / is formatted ext4, it can be mounted directly by a kernel with ext4
> drivers, no initramfs needed.
The only reason why 'initramfs' is ever needed is because the kernel can
mount the 'real' root filesystem without loading a/ some additional
files first. This is a
Steve Litt wrote:
> This idea came to me while I wrote an anti-merge rant a few minutes
> ago...
I was going to reply to that, I'll reply here instead ...
First off, thanks for answering a question I hadn't asked but had always
wondered about the answer to. I "sort of" knew what initramfs was,
On Fri, Jan 01, 2016 at 12:26:41PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
> If / is formatted ext4, it can be mounted directly by a kernel with ext4
> drivers, no initramfs needed.
Wasn't the original reason for having an initrd that the boot loader,
probably LILO at the time, couldn't handle a kernel image abo
On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 15:45:49 +0100, Micky wrote in message
<868u498ijm@minnie.mesina.net>:
> Daniel Reurich writes:
>
> > So the potteringisation continues...
>
> If I remember well Solaris has /bin linked to /usr/bin since many
> years, so linking /bin to /usr/bin is not a poetteringisati
Hi all,
This idea came to me while I wrote an anti-merge rant a few minutes
ago...
You know, times have changed. Today, a 256GB SSD can be had for less
than $100, and can easily, trivially, hold the entire operating system.
One excellent configuration is to have the root partition, hosted by a
S
On Fri, 01 Jan 2016 15:45:49 +0100
Micky Del Favero wrote:
> Daniel Reurich writes:
>
> > So the potteringisation continues...
>
> If I remember well Solaris has /bin linked to /usr/bin since many
> years, so linking /bin to /usr/bin is not a poetteringisation, or
> almost it's not an origin
Hi,
I'm getting so closed to set up Devuan system.
Setup VirtualBox in Devuan
Find the header package of current kernel version of the system. ‘ uname
-a’ will show the version number of kernel image.
In my Devuan, the header pacakge is linux-headers-3.16.0-4-amd64
$ sudo aptitude install l
Daniel Reurich writes:
> So the potteringisation continues...
If I remember well Solaris has /bin linked to /usr/bin since many years,
so linking /bin to /usr/bin is not a poetteringisation, or almost it's
not an original idea of poettering.
Ciao, Micky
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Hello list,
Is vdev already available somewhere as a package in ascii?
# apt-get install vdev
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package vdev
Or do I need to get it from git?
# cat /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://
On 01/01/16 06:05, Simon Hobson wrote:
Mitt Green wrote:
I reckon as long as his Fedora boots, he doesn't care.
I think that's the key reason.
Linus is concerned with the kernel - and while I suspect he has personal preferences about what is
run on top of that, he's "detached" enough to tak
Children! Down that path lies madness.
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Hi Adam,
El 28/12/15 a las 16:43, Adam Borowski escribió:
On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 11:16:17AM +0100, aitor_czr wrote:
>I propose a new package 'xfce4-default-settings' to customize the default
>appearance of the desktop in devuan. I also propose alsa-oss,
Note that xfce4 in unstable doesn't su
On 01/01/16 02:51, Steve Litt wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2015 10:03:40 +
This is why I suggested that the other person (I can't find his name
right now) consult me before writing docs or a presentation. Every
single problem anyone could have about Windowmaker, I've had. If he can
explain it to
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 10:51:47AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote:
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>
> This is why I suggested that the other person (I can't find his name
> right now) consult me before writing docs or a presentation. Every
> single problem anyone could have about Windowmaker, I've had. If he can
> explain it t
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 12:21:13PM -0300, Emiliano Marini wrote:
> Please excuse me, I know many of you can see this like a good tribute for
> Ian, but naming "Ian" to the first Devuan stable release could sound like
> using his name for the cause, at least for some evil-minded people.
Maybe my c
Hi Emiliano,
On 12/31/2015 07:05 PM, Emiliano Marini wrote:
Please excuse me, I know many of you can see this like a good tribute for
Ian, but naming "Ian" to the first Devuan stable release could sound like
using his name for the cause, at least for some evil-minded people.
Nobody proposed n
On Thu, Dec 31, 2015 at 05:26:01PM -0600, Nate Bargmann wrote:
> * On 2015 31 Dec 14:53 -0600, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>
> > Can you say "kdbus?"
>
> That doesn't worry me much at this stage as unlike at the higher layers
> where SD support seems to result in support for certain other APIs being
>
So the potteringisation continues...
Are we going to allow this sort of behaviour into Devuan??
Daniel
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