Re: [DNG] Input Method Framework

2016-01-20 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Jan 21, 2016 at 08:46:52AM +0900, メット wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > > > 「snip」 > >>removed dbus and installed fluxbox > 「snip」 > >> Was wondering if sby knew a non-dbus dependant IM or a way to circumvent > >> this. > > > >Why do input methids hang out

Re: [DNG] Input Method Framework

2016-01-20 Thread Robert Storey
writes: > Hi dear list, > Thanks again for all the work u did on Dev1 and tell me if I can help > in anyway. > I followed devuanfanboy howto, removed dbus and installed fluxbox(was > under xfce b4) > Thing is Im using Japanese a lot and need anthy or similar. I need Chinese

Re: [DNG] Apparently Jessie has runit

2016-01-20 Thread Joel Roth
Steve Litt wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 20:23:10 + > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > Steve Litt writes: > > > People aren't completely alone on run scripts: I can give them any > > > run scripts I'm using. Also, Runit run scripts are

Re: [DNG] Systemd best practices

2016-01-20 Thread Edward Bartolo
On 20/01/2016, dev1fanboy wrote: > On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 2:19 PM, Steve Litt > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Looking at the Debian-user mailing list, I saw a question that I >> could have answered, if I were allowed to post to

Re: [DNG] lilo development has ended

2016-01-20 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 20/01/2016 15:29, dev1fanboy a écrit : It seems enough to me that extlinux is available if it is as easy to work with as it looks, grub will be around for a while so people have that. Yeah. I understand it's similar to syslinux. I used syslinux to boot from usb keys. I don't see any

Re: [DNG] lilo development has ended

2016-01-20 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 20/01/2016 17:18, k...@aspodata.se a écrit : Le 20/01/2016 13:14, Simon Hobson a écrit : ... > >AIUI, if you use md and raid1, with metadata version 0.9, for > >/boot - then each member of the raid set contains a complete > >image of /boot which is safe to use read-only. So the bootloader >

Re: [DNG] Beware

2016-01-20 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Simon Hobson writes: > Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > >> By now, the concept of unprivileged local users is a little obsolete anyway. >> >> Today, hosts generally serve only one unix user, there generally is >> only one local user of one host, and

Re: [DNG] Input Method Framework

2016-01-20 Thread mett
2016-01-20 13:11 に David Kuehling さんは書きました: Hi メット, I haven't yet found the time to actually upgrade my Debian systems to Devuan. I didn even consider, that there are pitfalls around the input method support, thanks for the info, it is good to be able to consider these things in advance (I use

Re: [DNG] Beware

2016-01-20 Thread shraptor
On 2016-01-19 23:07, Rainer Weikusat wrote: You can find them in the System.map file for your kernel, eg, ... Found it in my System.map 810a97d2 T prepare_kernel_cred 810a94b7 T commit_creds Thanks for hint some kind of stacksmashing? No. The bug in the kernel function

Re: [DNG] Apparently Jessie has runit

2016-01-20 Thread Steve Litt
People aren't completely alone on run scripts: I can give them any run scripts I'm using. Also, Runit run scripts are *nothing* like sysvinit or OpenRC init scripts: Most are five lines or less, few are over 10 lines. SteveT On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 14:31:45 - "dev1fanboy"

Re: [DNG] Apparently Jessie has runit

2016-01-20 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Steve Litt writes: > People aren't completely alone on run scripts: I can give them any run > scripts I'm using. Also, Runit run scripts are *nothing* like sysvinit > or OpenRC init scripts: There is no such thing as a "sysvinit init script". The way the sysvinit

Re: [DNG] Apparently Jessie has runit

2016-01-20 Thread Simon Hobson
Rainer Weikusat wrote: > The commands which are actually executed via these S- and K-links come > from individual packages and ultimatively contain whatever the people > responsible for that considered sensible. Which is usually a pretty > arbitrary assortment of

Re: [DNG] Apparently Jessie has runit

2016-01-20 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Steve Litt writes: > On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 20:23:10 + > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >> Steve Litt writes: >> > People aren't completely alone on run scripts: I can give them any >> > run scripts I'm using.

Re: [DNG] Apparently Jessie has runit

2016-01-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:00:12 + Simon Hobson wrote: > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > > The commands which are actually executed via these S- and K-links > > come from individual packages and ultimatively contain whatever the > > people

Re: [DNG] Debian is endorsed by Microsoft

2016-01-20 Thread dev1fanboy
Not surprising. They already threw a party for Debian 8 (not debian in general, but debian 8). http://openness.microsoft.com/blog/2015/04/21/microsoft-debian-8-linuxfest/ The ethical break down is enough of a reason for them to throw a party imho. On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 10:19 PM, Mitt

Re: [DNG] Apparently Jessie has runit

2016-01-20 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Simon Hobson writes: > Rainer Weikusat wrote: > >> The commands which are actually executed via these S- and K-links come >> from individual packages and ultimatively contain whatever the people >> responsible for that considered sensible.

Re: [DNG] Apparently Jessie has runit

2016-01-20 Thread Steve Litt
On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 20:23:10 + Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Steve Litt writes: > > People aren't completely alone on run scripts: I can give them any > > run scripts I'm using. Also, Runit run scripts are *nothing* like > > sysvinit or

[DNG] Debian is endorsed by Microsoft

2016-01-20 Thread Mitt Green
https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/blog/debian-images-now-available-on-azure/ Debian will be offered as an endorsed operating system in Azure Marketplace. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Input Method Framework

2016-01-20 Thread メット
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 「snip」 >>removed dbus and installed fluxbox 「snip」 >> Was wondering if sby knew a non-dbus dependant IM or a way to circumvent >> this. > >Why do input methids hang out in window managers anyway? >Isn't the proper, logical place in the keyboard

Re: [DNG] Beware

2016-01-20 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 19/01/2016 22:58, Stephanie Daugherty a écrit : On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Arnt Karlsen > wrote: ..why did Debian kill ssh into localhost? Is su or sudo safer than ssh nowadays? Because the architecture of Linux gurantees that root

Re: [DNG] lilo development has ended

2016-01-20 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 19/01/2016 17:02, Steve Litt a écrit : Grub is the systemd of bootloaders. It's all about pretty colors, nice images, and hiding the fact that processes are being instantiated. Someone said that the developpers of grub-0.9 (now Grub legacy) had maintenance problems. Often, in this case,

Re: [DNG] lilo development has ended

2016-01-20 Thread karl
Steve Litt: > On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 00:04:25 +0100 > richard lucassen wrote: ... > > Unless you use a small ext2 boot partition for your kernels. And for Lilo is the reader of the boot partition and lily does not understand any fs. Isn't it sufficient with any fs which

Re: [DNG] Beware

2016-01-20 Thread Simon Hobson
Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > By now, the concept of unprivileged local users is a little obsolete anyway. > > Today, hosts generally serve only one unix user, there generally is only one > local user of one host, and that local user is the user that owns everything >

[DNG] git.devuan.org upgrade

2016-01-20 Thread hellekin
Hello, git.devuan.org will go down for a scheduled upgrade on Friday, January 22nd, in the (EU) evening. Cheers, == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/

Re: [DNG] lilo development has ended

2016-01-20 Thread Simon Hobson
Didier Kryn wrote: > I don't think Grub2 is all about pretty colours though. The veteran admin > likes to have a bootloader which is easy to configure, but the random admin, > likes to have a working multi-boot bootloader at the end of the installation. Indeed, and when

Re: [DNG] Systemd best practices

2016-01-20 Thread Mitt Green
‎Steve Litt wrote: >if I were allowed to post to Debian-user Steve, why would they ever ban you?  You don't sound like a man that can troll or whatever on a mailing list. Mailing list mate wrote:‎ >By the way: whether there is a documentation describing best practices >and "use cases" for

Re: [DNG] lilo development has ended

2016-01-20 Thread dev1fanboy
It seems enough to me that extlinux is available if it is as easy to work with as it looks, grub will be around for a while so people have that. I also note there is elilo for EFI, not sure how usable that is on traditional setups though. On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 12:14 PM, Simon Hobson

Re: [DNG] Apparently Jessie has runit

2016-01-20 Thread dev1fanboy
Yes devuan has it, I was thinking about trying it but I think people are on their own for init scripts with runit. On Wednesday, January 20, 2016 2:31 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Apparently Debian Jessie (and therefore I'd assume Devuan Jessie) has > the

[DNG] Apparently Jessie has runit

2016-01-20 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Apparently Debian Jessie (and therefore I'd assume Devuan Jessie) has the Runit init system as an option: https://packages.debian.org/es/jessie/runit Obviously, Devuan Jessie should default to sysvinit: There's enough other work to do. That being said, anyone who wants to get familiar

[DNG] Systemd best practices

2016-01-20 Thread Steve Litt
Hi all, Looking at the Debian-user mailing list, I saw a question that I could have answered, if I were allowed to post to Debian-user: = By the way: whether there is a documentation describing best practices and "use cases" for systemd?

Re: [DNG] lilo development has ended

2016-01-20 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 20/01/2016 13:14, Simon Hobson a écrit : Didier Kryn wrote: I don't think Grub2 is all about pretty colours though. The veteran admin likes to have a bootloader which is easy to configure, but the random admin, likes to have a working multi-boot bootloader at the end of