Re: [DNG] useradd defaults

2016-04-04 Thread tilt!
Am 04.04.2016 um 08:58 schrieb Boruch Baum: > [...] > I'm getting a bit uncomfortable about starting this thread, because > upon reflection, it seems that one consequence of setting the > system-wide may be that the 027 umask will end up having some system > account creating a file that should be

[DNG] Subject: Re: useradd defaults

2016-04-04 Thread Robert Storey
>> I'm getting a bit uncomfortable about starting this thread, because upon >> reflection, it seems that one consequence of setting the system-wide may >> be that the 027 umask will end up having some system account creating a >> file that should be world-readable or world-executable, but because

Re: [DNG] ...and when trolling went too far

2016-04-04 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 04 Apr 2016 11:09:01 +0300 Mitt Green wrote: > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lennart_Poettering=703955376 Occupation: Bloatware generator. I would have added: Slogan: Do you hate disabled people ? SteveT Steve Litt March 2016 featured book:

Re: [DNG] Another multi-user issue

2016-04-04 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Boruch Baum writes: - some clarifications as I tend to forget how far remove from 'everyday experiences' this stuff happens to be - > On 04/04/2016 11:22 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: [...] >> [*] "Everyday real-world example": One of the things I'm dealing with >> is a

Re: [DNG] useradd defaults

2016-04-04 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Boruch Baum writes: [...] > 2.2] umask. This was a shocker, security-wise. The default umask is set > to 022 instead of the better 027 or, my preference, 077. My memory is > that on other systems on which I've seen the command seemingly > hard-coded for 022, the fix to 027

Re: [DNG] useradd defaults

2016-04-04 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Apr 04, 2016 at 08:53:29PM +0800, Brad Campbell wrote: > On 04/04/16 16:19, KatolaZ wrote: > > >(unfortunately Linux does not run on microcontrollers, yet, mainly due > >to the general lack of some form of underlying MMU in the vast > >majority of microcontrollers...). > >

Re: [DNG] Another multi-user issue

2016-04-04 Thread Boruch Baum
On 04/04/2016 11:22 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > Boruch Baum writes: >> Please consider setting the default /etc/fstab to include: >> >> proc/proc procdefaults,hidepid=2 >> >> This has the effect of keeping the specific activities, process >> ids,

Re: [DNG] Another multi-user issue

2016-04-04 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Boruch Baum writes: > Please consider setting the default /etc/fstab to include: > > proc/proc procdefaults,hidepid=2 > > This has the effect of keeping the specific activities, process ids, > command lines and parameters of a user from other users.

Re: [DNG] ...and when trolling went too far

2016-04-04 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Mitt Green writes: > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lennart_Poettering=703955376 The joke is a little too clumsy to qualify as well-done satire and I could have done without being notified of it ... ___ Dng mailing

[DNG] Nicht alles was hinkt ist ein Vergleich (was: ...and when trolling went too far)

2016-04-04 Thread Rainer Weikusat
Boruch Baum writes: [...] > You know what. How about this. Think of systemd as that girlfriend you > broke up with. You've decided to dump systemd, Did I? It rather reminds me of these commercial ladies I meet in the streets every once in a while and who can - at times -

Re: [DNG] ...and when trolling went too far

2016-04-04 Thread Mitt Green
Boruch Baum wrote: You know what. How about this. Think of systemd as that girlfriend you broke up with. You've decided to dump systemd, so be done with it. Leave it behind and move on. It's over. If you can't forget about her, its not over, and frankly, something in your head is messed up.

Re: [DNG] ...and when trolling went too far

2016-04-04 Thread Simon Hobson
Boruch Baum wrote: > Sorry to ruin the party, but I'll object to it because its just not a > nice thing to do, and its an awful thing to mess up content on the fine > site that is wikipedia. +1 for that Regardless of what people think of him, it's not a grown up or pleasant

Re: [DNG] ...and when trolling went too far

2016-04-04 Thread Mitt Green
Simon Walter wrote: ...so challenging his actions on a technical level would be difficult. Not really. Take a look at systemd changelogs, and you'll find out, how many new "features" it has now. It now has X11 and a terminal. And your screen brightness can't be lower than 5%, because the

Re: [DNG] xscreensaver issues (including hardcoded DEBIAN!)

2016-04-04 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 03/04/2016 23:18, Hendrik Boom a écrit : It's a formal art form, and occasionally amusing. Yes, some are really nice to watch. I'd like to be able to run them independtly of the concept of a screen-saver which doesn't make much sense today. Didier

Re: [DNG] ...and when trolling went too far

2016-04-04 Thread Boruch Baum
I'm NOT specifically ranting against either Simon or Trond below. I'm addressing the wider issue, that I think is pretty obvious to anyone following this list for any amount of time. On 04/04/2016 09:00 AM, Simon Walter wrote: > On 2016/04/04 17:39, Trond Arild Ydersbond wrote: >> Den Mandag, 4.

Re: [DNG] ...and when trolling went too far

2016-04-04 Thread Simon Walter
On 2016/04/04 17:39, Trond Arild Ydersbond wrote: Den Mandag, 4. april 2016 8.09 skrev Mitt Green : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lennart_Poettering=703955376 Representing him as an ass and bloatware generator is definitely not in the interest of those

Re: [DNG] ...and when trolling went too far

2016-04-04 Thread Trond Arild Ydersbond
Den Mandag, 4. april 2016 8.09 skrev Mitt Green : https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lennart_Poettering=703955376 Representing him as an ass and bloatware generator is definitely not in the interest of those challenging his actions as a developer. Why the

Re: [DNG] useradd defaults

2016-04-04 Thread KatolaZ
On Mon, Apr 04, 2016 at 06:58:39AM +, Boruch Baum wrote: [cut] > > I'm getting a bit uncomfortable about starting this thread, because upon > reflection, it seems that one consequence of setting the system-wide may > be that the 027 umask will end up having some system account creating a >

Re: [DNG] useradd defaults

2016-04-04 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, Apr 03, 2016 at 08:05:05PM -0400, Boruch Baum wrote: [cut] > > 2] /etc/profile > > 2.1] $PATH for users includes by default two specialty (and frivolous) > entries - for games folders. This strikes me as inconsistent with what's > meant to be a "universal OS" that can be expected to be

[DNG] ...and when trolling went too far

2016-04-04 Thread Mitt Green
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lennart_Poettering=703955376 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] useradd defaults

2016-04-04 Thread Boruch Baum
On 04/04/2016 06:17 AM, tilt! wrote: > Am 04.04.2016 um 04:54 schrieb fsmithred: >>session optional pam_umask.so umask=0022" > > Add such customization to > >/etc/pam.d/common-session > > instead. The statement should appear after the end of the block that is > automatically updated by

Re: [DNG] Download iso 32bit devuan alpha2 or higher(based, , installation without network)

2016-04-04 Thread aitor_czr
On 04/03/16 23:19, fsmithred wrote: Nice guide. Thanks. I was thinking more along the lines of this set of instructions for a debootstrap install to hard drive, rather than with live build.