Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

Am Tue, 03 May 2016 08:27:05 + schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org: > From: parazyd > To: Hendrik Boom > Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org > Subject: Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan > Message-ID: <20160503071226.GA10101@hansolo> > Content-Type: text/plain;

Re: [DNG] network-manager depends on libpam-systemd (Daniel Reurich)

It's a bit late, but in wicd you can use usb adapters (i did with a ralink based one) or share wifi via ethernet. It's tricky, yes, but with the use of scripts it can be done. At the time, i had a big help from someone in the (german) ubuntu user forums. Also: Ceni is an excellent ncurses based

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

For whatever it's worth, I'm fully supportive of the idea of defaulting to a simpler init system such as S6, Epoch, Runit, you-name-it. I can't speak for anyone else, of course, but I tend to think the sort of people who are attracted to Devuan see the virtue of simplicity. The main reason why we

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

> On May 3, 2016 at 11:43 PM Joel Roth wrote: [...] > Interesting, I thought /sbin was historically for statically > linked executables needed at boot time, or for system > recovery. The /sbin and /usr/sbin are analogous to /bin and /usr/sbin but they contain programs for

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

Steve Litt wrote: > Joel Roth wrote: > > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > There's a small number of directories that are supposed to be on > > > the root filesystem, or otherwise available during boot. I > > > believe /etc and /bin are two of these. > > > > > > /usr is not. I

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 3 May 2016 15:24:47 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > There's a small number of directories that are supposed to be on > > the root filesystem, or otherwise available during boot. I > > believe /etc and /bin are two of these. > > > > /usr is not. I

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

* On 2016 03 May 16:38 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > "Pen testing" My Aunt's Hat! I thought it was trying different Linux distributions from a USB pen. Shrug. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio,

Re: [DNG] Duplicate sources.list entry

This usually happens to me when I install google-chrome-stable as I already have the repo entry in sources.list and the install creates a sub-folder, something like google-chrome.d, with another sources file. -- Forwarded message -- From: Go Linux Date: Wed,

Re: [DNG] Duplicate sources.list entry

On Tue, 5/3/16, Ozi Traveller wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Duplicate sources.list entry To: "Go Linux" , "dng" Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 8:15 PM On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Go Linux wrote: >> I just

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

Hendrik Boom wrote: > There's a small number of directories that are supposed to be on the > root filesystem, or otherwise available during boot. I believe /etc > and /bin are two of these. > > /usr is not. I suspect /var isn't either. > > init is supposed to be able to read /etc/fstab to

Re: [DNG] Duplicate sources.list entry

There could be sources.list file in these folders that overlap. /etc/apt /etc/apt/sources.list.d On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Go Linux wrote: > I just upgraded some packages and got this error: > > W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ >

[DNG] Duplicate sources.list entry

I just upgraded some packages and got this error: W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/auto.mirror.devuan.org_merged_dists_jessie_main_binary-i386_Packages) Hoping someone can translate. Don't know if it's

Re: [DNG] another instance of packages.devuan

On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 10:52:01PM +, Go Linux wrote: > On Tue, 5/3/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Subject: [DNG] another instance of packages.devuan > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 3:36 PM > > > > I noticed in > > > >

Re: [DNG] another instance of packages.devuan

On Tue, 5/3/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: Subject: [DNG] another instance of packages.devuan To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 3:36 PM > > I noticed in > > https://talk.devuan.org/t/migrating-from-debian-to-a-minimalist-devuan/181 > > that it

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 03 May 2016 23:07:05 +0200 Svante Signell wrote: > On Tue, 2016-05-03 at 16:32 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Tue, 3 May 2016 10:06:07 -0400 (EDT) > >  > > Because OpenRC has seen fit to intermix their init scripts > > with sysvinit's in /etc/init.d, I'd

Re: [DNG] another instance of packages.devuan

On Tue, 5/3/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: Subject: [DNG] another instance of packages.devuan To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 3:36 PM > > I noticed in > > https://talk.devuan.org/t/migrating-from-debian-to-a-minimalist-devuan/181 > > that it

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 2016-05-03 at 23:24 +0200, parazyd wrote: > On Tue, 03 May 2016, Svante Signell wrote: >  > As I've stated at the beginning of this whole thread, debian-openrc is > irrelevant and a bad way to solve the whole issue of using OpenRC > properly, becase they keep using LSB initscripts... What

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

Thanks Stephanie! There's a special place in hell for people using ambiguous abbreviations, acronyms, and nicknames. I mean really, do they think this makes them sound more "in the know?" That author is a WAD. Now I get to feel superior as the word WAD rolls glibly and effortlessly off my

Re: [DNG] Files .udeb

On 05/03/2016 07:52 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: Contrary to its name, netinst is enough to install a standalone system That's true :) Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 03 May 2016, Svante Signell wrote: > On Tue, 2016-05-03 at 23:05 +0200, parazyd wrote: > > On Tue, 03 May 2016, Svante Signell wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2016-05-03 at 16:32 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > > > On Tue, 3 May 2016 10:06:07 -0400 (EDT) > > > >   > > > > Because

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 2016-05-03 at 23:05 +0200, parazyd wrote: > On Tue, 03 May 2016, Svante Signell wrote: > > > > > On Tue, 2016-05-03 at 16:32 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, 3 May 2016 10:06:07 -0400 (EDT) > > >   > > > Because OpenRC has seen fit to intermix their init scripts > > > with

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 03 May 2016, Svante Signell wrote: > On Tue, 2016-05-03 at 16:32 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Tue, 3 May 2016 10:06:07 -0400 (EDT) > >  > > Because OpenRC has seen fit to intermix their init scripts > > with sysvinit's in /etc/init.d, I'd suggest that any files needed by > > OpenRC be

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 2016-05-03 at 16:32 -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 3 May 2016 10:06:07 -0400 (EDT) >  > Because OpenRC has seen fit to intermix their init scripts > with sysvinit's in /etc/init.d, I'd suggest that any files needed by > OpenRC be kept somewhere besides /etc/init.d. > Hi Steve, We

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 03 May 2016, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 3 May 2016 10:06:07 -0400 (EDT) > Rob Owens wrote: > > > > I agree with putting each init in its own directory, but sysvinit > > should not own /etc/init.d. sysvinit stuff should go in /etc/sysvinit > > and by default

[DNG] another instance of packages.devuan

I noticed in https://talk.devuan.org/t/migrating-from-debian-to-a-minimalist-devuan/181 that it recommends deb lines like deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main and deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates main Shall I change them to auto.mirror.devuan.org? Or does

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 3 May 2016 10:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Rob Owens wrote: > I agree with putting each init in its own directory, but sysvinit > should not own /etc/init.d. sysvinit stuff should go in /etc/sysvinit > and by default /etc/init.d should be a link to /etc/sysvinit/init.d. > The

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

‎Steven W. Scott wrote: ‎ > Wow. Funny that, my view is:‎ > Windows: Gaming > Linux: everything else I am kind of a "hardcore" gamer, nowadays especially in Sauerbraten and Urban Terror, back then in RedEclipse, I actually think that the situation with games is good. Count here 0 A.D., Battle

[DNG] Odp: Re: OpenRC and Devuan

+1   Dnia Wtorek, 3 Maja 2016 10:35 Jaromil napisał(a)   this is what is going to happen and $years is a variable between releases. Our release cycle is clear: packages get in unstable (Ceres), then in testing (Ascii) which will have them in once released. The openrc package

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 02:16:55PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 3 May 2016 13:00:39 +0100 > KatolaZ wrote: > > > On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 06:32:41AM -0500, Jim Murphy wrote: > > > > [cut] > > > > > > > > I know this is in the very early stages and where things go is

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

Actually, since Valve released a native Steam client for Linux, I've even abandoned Windows for gaming. Yes, I'm quite limited to what I can play, but it has enough titles to keep me busy. Linux O'Beardly @LinuxOBeardly http://o.beard.ly linux.obear...@gmail.com On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 3:00 PM,

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

Wow. Funny that, my view is: Windows: Gaming Linux: everything else Linux for pentest, hell yes, mostly because it lends itself extremely well to quickly implementing a prototype and automating it in a reliable manner. Windows scheduler is a joke, Windows development is a masochist's dream.

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 3 May 2016 13:00:39 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 06:32:41AM -0500, Jim Murphy wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > I know this is in the very early stages and where things go is > > still open to discussion, but consider this. > > > > UNIX and lookalikes

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 3 May 2016 12:18:13 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > Ideally, switching between init systems (e.g., reverting back to an > init system which is known to work) should be achievable from a > single-user root shell spawned as an emergency "init", using only a > few executables

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

I assume "penetration testing", and seems like a shortsighted view. On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 1:57 PM Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 3 May 2016 09:05:03 + (UTC) > Go Linux wrote: > > > > > > > > Linux = Pen testing > >

Re: [DNG] cloud

On Tue, 3 May 2016 10:44:29 + hellekin wrote: > I want to call it "rabbit" or "Shub-Niggurath" I fear the latter name would not be well received in the United States. SteveT Steve Litt April 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century

Re: [DNG] network-manager depends on libpam-systemd

On Tue, 3 May 2016 11:53:33 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Yes, I know. All these front-ends use wpa_supplicant in their > kitchen. I just wonder why they find it more clever to re-do on their > own what wpa_supplicant can do alone. I think I can answer that. Wpa_supplicant

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

On Tue, 3 May 2016 09:05:03 + (UTC) Go Linux wrote: > > > Linux = Pen testing > Windows = everything else What is pen testing? Am I out of touch, or is this guy making up words? SteveT Steve Litt April 2016 featured book: Rapid Learning for

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 3 May 2016 11:24:01 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 03/05/2016 08:51, Mitt Green a écrit : > >> The current init system is old. Ancient. > >> We should all agree on it. Devuan is looking > >> for a new init system that is not systemd and my > >> personal choice for this task

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 07:31:35PM +0200, parazyd wrote: > On Tue, 03 May 2016, Rob Owens wrote: > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "parazyd" > > > > > On Tue, 03 May 2016, Rob Owens wrote: > > > > > >> - Original Message - > > >> > From: "KatolaZ"

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 3 May 2016 09:59:40 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 08:50:20PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > This can all be handled in each package with the package triggers > > enabled easily with a debhelper script similar to dh-systemd which

Re: [DNG] Files .udeb

On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 04:43:11PM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > On 05/03/2016 02:00 PM, "Stephanie Daugherty" wrote: > >udeb files (aka micro-deb) are stripped down packages only used in building > >the installer and loading installer components into memory via a network >

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Mon, 2 May 2016 22:15:44 -1000 Joel Roth wrote: > The problem with supporting multiple init systems is that > there is an init script for each service that has to be > ported or rewritten. > > Launching Devuan while maintaining the sysvinit status quo > has already

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 3 May 2016 09:12:26 +0200 parazyd wrote: > On Mon, 02 May 2016, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > Is there a summary of some sort explaining the various init > > systems, how they're put together, how they work, and especially > > the salient points on which they differ? >

Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

On 05/03/2016 08:46 AM, Jim Murphy wrote: > On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 7:28 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: >> Le 03/05/2016 14:06, Jim Murphy a écrit : >>> >>> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 02/05/2016 14:12, fsmithred a écrit : > > No

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

Assuming Piotr means "sysvinit" when he says "init", I agree 100%. Unless you're a Debian Dev, Lennart Poettering, or a Red Hat stockholder, there's no rush to move away from sysvinit, which has been serving us very well for what, three decades? On Tue, 3 May 2016 08:41:37 +0200 poitr pogo

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 05:19:19PM +0200, parazyd wrote: [cut] > > This is unnecessary. In OpenRC you can easily specify $SYSCONFDIR and > set it to /etc/openrc. Then all will be found inside, and the system > will already know what to do, without symlinking. > Great. It would b ideal if all

Re: [DNG] Fwd: For all you automounter programmers

On 05/03/2016 09:34 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 03/05/2016 14:48, hellekin a écrit : >> On 05/03/2016 12:16 PM, Jim Murphy wrote: >>> Problem, blkid uses a cache that is only updated when root runs blkid. >>> Any changes are not automatically updated. A user only sees the cache. >>> >>> The

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 03 May 2016, Rob Owens wrote: > - Original Message - > > From: "KatolaZ" > > > But do we really need all that complication? Couldn't we just leave > > the initscript of each init system in a different directory and *tell > > the init system* where they are

[DNG] .iso images label

On 05/03/2016 03:15 PM, hellekin wrote: On 04/29/2016 05:36 PM, Jim Murphy wrote: >Minor but it would be nice to see Devuan and not Debian >as the label. > >[snip] > >Would someone check and correct before the next release? > Follow up to

Re: [DNG] linux-libre-4.3.5-1

Hi Ismael, On 05/03/2016 02:35 PM, "Ismael L. Donis Garcia" wrote: Hi, > >I uploaded the kernel linux-libre-4.3.5-1, built for devuan jessie: > >http://gnuinos.org/linux-libre/pool/main/l/linux/ > >Cheers, > > Aitor. > >___

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 2016-05-03 at 10:06 -0400, Rob Owens wrote: > - Original Message - > > > > From: "KatolaZ" > > > > But do we really need all that complication? Couldn't we just leave > > the initscript of each init system in a different directory and *tell > > the init

Re: [DNG] Files .udeb

On 05/03/2016 02:00 PM, "Stephanie Daugherty" wrote: udeb files (aka micro-deb) are stripped down packages only used in building the installer and loading installer components into memory via a network connection Some of them do it via network connection, but not all

Re: [DNG] Files .udeb

On 05/03/2016 02:00 PM, "Ismael L. Donis Garcia" wrote: >udeb files (aka micro-deb) are stripped down packages only used in building >the installer and loading installer components into memory via a network >connection - they are >explicitly intended for tightly

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

parazyd writes: > The current init system is old. Ancient. We should all agree on it. The current init system is younger than me. Despite I'm 43 (and will be 44 in a few months), people still want to see a proof of me being already 18 with annoying regularity (although the

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

- Original Message - > From: "KatolaZ" > But do we really need all that complication? Couldn't we just leave > the initscript of each init system in a different directory and *tell > the init system* where they are to be found? This will allow a much > easier

Re: [DNG] Fwd: For all you automounter programmers

Le 03/05/2016 14:48, hellekin a écrit : On 05/03/2016 12:16 PM, Jim Murphy wrote: Problem, blkid uses a cache that is only updated when root runs blkid. Any changes are not automatically updated. A user only sees the cache. The issues is, fsr is trying to do everything as a "user" so tools

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On 03/05/16 21:43, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 09:24:42PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > > [cut] > >> >> Absolutely, but for the average user, having /etc/init.d and >> /etc/openrc and /etc/wtf all there when using sysvinit (and not >> changing between init systems) is only going

Re: [DNG] [helle...@dyne.org: Re: Missing packages]

On 04/29/2016 09:50 PM, Haines Brown wrote: > >> Hellekin wrote: >> >> You should use http://packages.devuan.org/merged/ for >> Devuan sources. Not anything else. > Update: auto.mirror.devuan.org gives you the closest (fastest) mirror available, and is preferred. > Let me see if I understand

Re: [DNG] Could not resolve 'mirror.cc.columbia.edu'

On Tue, 03 May 2016, fsmithred wrote: > (Rant on) Are the only good dns servers on the planet the ones who are in > bed with spy agencies? I've tried several of the "open" ones, and I always > seem to have trouble with them. (Rant off) have a look at https://dnscrypt.org I cannot vet for each

Re: [DNG] .iso images label

On 04/29/2016 05:36 PM, Jim Murphy wrote: > Minor but it would be nice to see Devuan and not Debian > as the label. > > [snip] > > Would someone check and correct before the next release? > Follow up to https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/debian-installer/issues/52 == hk -- _ _ We

Re: [DNG] Fwd: For all you automounter programmers

On 05/03/2016 12:16 PM, Jim Murphy wrote: > > Problem, blkid uses a cache that is only updated when root runs blkid. > Any changes are not automatically updated. A user only sees the cache. > > The issues is, fsr is trying to do everything as a "user" so tools like > lsblk and blkid don't work

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On 05/03/2016 12:00 PM, KatolaZ wrote: > > I definitely agree with you Jim, and this is certainly one aspect to > be taken into account seriously. We should strive to allow the maximum > flexibility in choosing an init system, ensuring that the set of > constraints remains as small as possible. >

Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 7:28 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 03/05/2016 14:06, Jim Murphy a écrit : >> >> On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: >>> >>> Le 02/05/2016 14:12, fsmithred a écrit : No support for file system labels at this time. If

Re: [DNG] sources.list targets

On 05/03/2016 10:28 AM, Jaromil wrote: > On Tue, 03 May 2016, Daniel Reurich wrote: > >> Indeed we need a canonical FAQ for Devuan - one that contains correct >> information and properly managed. > > best strategy for that is to restart it on our forum https://talk.devuan.org > FYI:

[DNG] Fwd: For all you automounter programmers

Sorry for forward everyone, forgot to send to list. -- Forwarded message -- From: Jim Murphy Date: Tue, May 3, 2016 at 7:06 AM Subject: Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers To: Didier Kryn On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 4:04 AM, Didier

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

IMHO i would expect package init scripts for default init system to be part of a package (binary,base, etc) and scripts for alternate systems to be in separate package(s). Of course all residing in single src package maintained by the devuan package maintainer. Someone who decides to use

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 06:32:41AM -0500, Jim Murphy wrote: [cut] > > I know this is in the very early stages and where things go is > still open to discussion, but consider this. > > UNIX and lookalikes have been able to boot into single user mode > with a small root filesystem without the

Re: [DNG] Files .udeb

- Original Message - From: Stephanie Daugherty To: Ismael L. Donis Garcia ; Lista de Devuan Sent: Monday, May 02, 2016 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [DNG] Files .udeb udeb files (aka micro-deb) are stripped down packages only used in building the installer and loading installer components into

Re: [DNG] Could not resolve 'mirror.cc.columbia.edu'

On 05/03/2016 04:54 AM, Daniel Reurich wrote: > On 03/05/16 20:28, Jaromil wrote: >> On Mon, 02 May 2016, fsmithred wrote: >> >>> I've been having trouble installing beta due to packages not >>> downloading. This was with the netinstall, the CD and the DVD. >>> Tonight, I couldn't do a

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 12:18:37PM +0200, parazyd wrote: > On Tue, 03 May 2016, KatolaZ wrote: > [cut] > > Why we don't just ship the init scripts for each system with the > > corresponding service, install them "somewhere else" (e.g., > > /var/cache/sysvinit, /var/cache/openrc, /var/cache/wtf,

Re: [DNG] Devuan Security Repo (was Re: invalid security certificate)

So now, when information on web site is correct please consider removing 'mirrors' workaround so it will not get propagated. And clear message will be sent to users which address should be used. Once removed people will be forced to clean their setup now, and new mistakenly created setups will

Re: [DNG] Devuan Security Repo (was Re: invalid security certificate)

On 05/02/2016 09:15 AM, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > helle...@dyne.org writes: >> auto.mirrors does not exist: only auto.mirror does. Unknown names point >> to www.devuan.org. > > Auto.mirrors exists as of yesterday. It was on the devuan home page due > to a typo. Nextime made the typo work, then

Re: [DNG] cloud

On 05/02/2016 11:37 AM, Herb Garcia wrote: > By that metric, using the phrase "cloud-init" is at least descriptive, > and not marketing buzzword driven. > It reminds me of the silver ion spreading technique used in China to create rain and wash Beijing's roofs from desert sand. Now *that* is

Re: [DNG] sources.list targets

On Tue, 03 May 2016, Daniel Reurich wrote: > Indeed we need a canonical FAQ for Devuan - one that contains correct > information and properly managed. best strategy for that is to restart it on our forum https://talk.devuan.org which will facilitate contributions in place of the git/docbook

Re: [DNG] sources.list targets

canonical url should be auto.mirror.devuan.org or .mirror.devuan.org where the CC is either the country code which will soon point to a canonical debian mirror (or mirrors) for that country. > > Also, dev1fanboy's pages (and their derivatives) suggest using > packages.devuan.org hmm that

Re: [DNG] network-manager depends on libpam-systemd

Le 03/05/2016 11:35, Daniel Reurich a écrit : On 03/05/16 20:56, Didier Kryn wrote: >Le 02/05/2016 03:41, Nate Bargmann a écrit : >>I know, I would probably be better off doing everything it does by >>hand. That said there is something very nice about opening the lid and >>by the time I enter

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 09:24:42PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: [cut] > > Absolutely, but for the average user, having /etc/init.d and /etc/openrc > and /etc/wtf all there when using sysvinit (and not changing between > init systems) is only going to lead to confusion. Being able to have >

Re: [DNG] network-manager depends on libpam-systemd

On 03/05/16 20:56, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 02/05/2016 03:41, Nate Bargmann a écrit : >> I know, I would probably be better off doing everything it does by >> hand. That said there is something very nice about opening the lid and >> by the time I enter my password to unlock Xscreensaver, NM has

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On 03/05/16 17:24, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 03/05/2016 08:51, Mitt Green a écrit : The current init system is old. Ancient. We should all agree on it. Devuan is looking for a new init system that is not systemd and my personal choice for this task from now on is Gentoo's OpenRC. ‎ Unix is old.

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On 03/05/16 20:59, KatolaZ wrote: > On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 08:50:20PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: > > [cut] > >> >> This can all be handled in each package with the package triggers >> enabled easily with a debhelper script similar to dh-systemd which makes >> it easy to deploy init

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

Le 03/05/2016 08:51, Mitt Green a écrit : The current init system is old. Ancient. We should all agree on it. Devuan is looking for a new init system that is not systemd and my personal choice for this task from now on is Gentoo's OpenRC. ‎ Unix is old. Ancient. We should all agree on it.

Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers

Le 02/05/2016 14:12, fsmithred a écrit : No support for file system labels at this time. If someone can tell me a reliable way for unprivileged user to get the labels, I'll add it. Feel free to use these scripts as they are or as motivation to create something better. -fsr On 04/28/2016 01:52

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)

On Tue, 5/3/16, Mitt Green wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 1:51 AM >> The current init system is old. Ancient. >> We should all agree on it. Devuan is looking >> for a new init system that is not systemd

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 08:50:20PM +1200, Daniel Reurich wrote: [cut] > > This can all be handled in each package with the package triggers > enabled easily with a debhelper script similar to dh-systemd which makes > it easy to deploy init scripts/unit files/runscripts etc in their own >

Re: [DNG] network-manager depends on libpam-systemd

Le 02/05/2016 03:41, Nate Bargmann a écrit : I know, I would probably be better off doing everything it does by hand. That said there is something very nice about opening the lid and by the time I enter my password to unlock Xscreensaver, NM has the network configured on my AP. FYI, this

Re: [DNG] Could not resolve 'mirror.cc.columbia.edu'

On 03/05/16 20:28, Jaromil wrote: > On Mon, 02 May 2016, fsmithred wrote: > >> I've been having trouble installing beta due to packages not >> downloading. This was with the netinstall, the CD and the DVD. >> Tonight, I couldn't do a debootstrap install because some packages >> wouldn't

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On 03/05/16 20:15, Joel Roth wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: >> On Mon, 2 May 2016 21:05:18 -0400 >> Hendrik Boom wrote: >> >>> Is there a summary of some sort explaining the various init systems, >>> how they're put together, how they work, and especially the salient >>>

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 03 May 2016, Simon Hobson wrote: > Jaromil wrote: > > >> Instead of an openRC effort at this point, I'd rather see a hook > >> for apt-get / aptitude / etc, to move all files specific to init > >> systems not being used to their own file hierarchies, eg. > >> > >>

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

to all, very important, perhaps to be set on the homepage: On Tue, 03 May 2016, poitr pogo wrote: > I vote for init to be default for at least few years. > Devuan might consider switching to something else few years after > wheezy lts will be dead. > > Meantime, all other init systems should

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

Jaromil wrote: >> Instead of an openRC effort at this point, I'd rather see a hook >> for apt-get / aptitude / etc, to move all files specific to init >> systems not being used to their own file hierarchies, eg. >> >> /var/cache/init-systems >>/sysvinit >> /etc >>

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 10:15:44PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: [cut] > > The problem with supporting multiple init systems is that > there is an init script for each service that has to be > ported or rewritten. > > Launching Devuan while maintaining the sysvinit status quo > has already stressed

Re: [DNG] Could not resolve 'mirror.cc.columbia.edu'

On Mon, 02 May 2016, fsmithred wrote: > I've been having trouble installing beta due to packages not > downloading. This was with the netinstall, the CD and the > DVD. Tonight, I couldn't do a debootstrap install because some > packages wouldn't download. Also can't do update/upgrade of existing

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Mon, 02 May 2016, Boruch Baum wrote: > Instead of an openRC effort at this point, I'd rather see a hook > for apt-get / aptitude / etc, to move all files specific to init > systems not being used to their own file hierarchies, eg. > > /var/cache/init-systems > /sysvinit > /etc >

Re: [DNG] Debian Wheezy LTS until 2018

KatolaZ wrote: > Many people have kept wheezy on their production > servers to see what happens with systemd in Jessie. And might prefer > to migrate to Devuan eventually, if it has proved to be a credible > option. Put me down in that camp. I've a lot of systems on

Re: [DNG] Debian Wheezy LTS until 2018

On Tue, May 03, 2016 at 03:49:56PM +1000, Ozi Traveller wrote: > [image: Debian] The Debian > project has announced that regular > security support for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has reached its end. For people who > wish to continue running

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Tue, 03 May 2016, poitr pogo wrote: > I vote for init to be default for at least few years. > Devuan might consider switching to something else few years after > wheezy lts will be dead. > > Meantime, all other init systems should be optional in Devuan. > Then there is just enough time to

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

On Mon, 02 May 2016, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Is there a summary of some sort explaining the various init systems, > how they're put together, how they work, and especially the salient > points on which they differ? Perhaps this as a short intro:

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

Mitt Green wrote: >> The current init system is old. Ancient. >> We should all agree on it. Devuan is looking >> for a new init system that is not systemd and my >> personal choice for this task from now on is >> Gentoo's OpenRC. > ‎ > Unix is old. Ancient. We should all

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

> The current init system is old. Ancient. > We should all agree on it. Devuan is looking > for a new init system that is not systemd and my > personal choice for this task from now on is > Gentoo's OpenRC. ‎ Unix is old. Ancient. We should all agree on it. Devuan is looking for a new base system

Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan

I vote for init to be default for at least few years. Devuan might consider switching to something else few years after wheezy lts will be dead. Meantime, all other init systems should be optional in Devuan. -- Regards Piotr On 5/3/16, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 2

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