Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 12:42:50AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:27:13 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message > <20170815012713.ga7...@topoi.pooq.com>: > > > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:45:08PM +0200, Evilham wrote: > > > > > > > > I'd recommend taking a look at this: > > >

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

Further, I don't have libsystemd0 installed on my system at all, although there are some config files hanging around in /etc. dpkg -l libsystemd0 Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

Dave Turner wrote: > I'm running a very minimal install of devuan ascii on my old Apple iMac. > > I have never been able to get sound working on the iMac using any > linux distro unless pulseaudio was installed. Hi Dave, AFAIK pulseaudio uses ALSA and ALSA drivers to communicate with the

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On 08/15/2017 11:07 PM, aitor wrote: Hi Tom, On 08/15/2017 07:18 PM, Tom Cassidy wrote: There's no release for ascii yet. You'll just have to dist-upgrade from jessie if you want to try it. I've been running ascii + experimental/eudev on my work desktop and laptop

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Hi Tom, On 08/15/2017 07:18 PM, Tom Cassidy wrote: There's no release for ascii yet. You'll just have to dist-upgrade from jessie if you want to try it. I've been running ascii + experimental/eudev on my work desktop and laptop for a few months without trouble. --

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 13:48:37 -0400, Haines wrote in message <20170815174837.gf32...@engels.historicalmaterialism.info>: > It would be naive to think that CPU producers don't build in a > backdoor. This is why I take an interest in Chinese CPUs. At this > point they are only RISC processors, but

Re: [DNG] Devuan presentation at Chemnitzer Linux-Tage (Germany) 2018?

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 21:27:13 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message <20170815012713.ga7...@topoi.pooq.com>: > On Mon, Aug 14, 2017 at 03:45:08PM +0200, Evilham wrote: > > > > > I'd recommend taking a look at this: > >

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:29:50 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message <33ad4565-eb5d-f434-cb8d-0bbd8a8a3...@linux.com>: > On 15/08/2017 at 05:13, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > FYI Many big companies get intel to include classified instruction > > sets to give them some kind of competitive edge. > > > > I

Re: [DNG] Nvidia Drivers

On Sun, 13 Aug 2017 07:45:11 -0400, zap wrote in message <733bb945-c664-c361-2690-17402dbdb...@posteo.de>: > > > Was X working before you tried the nvidia driver? > > Does /etc/xorg.conf exist now? If so, rename it so you can revert > > to a working X. > > > > Maybe try 'apt-get -f install'

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:45:05 +1000, Erik wrote in message <20170815064505.GA3443@ratatosk>: > Finding Devuan, and subscribing last night, I'm keen to replace my > Debian 9.0 "Systemdix"¹, even at the cost of reverting to older > packages. But I don't much like Gnome either, and have become

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 10:45:54 +0200, Svante wrote in message <1502786754.3090.22.ca...@gmail.com>: > On Thu, 2016-04-21 at 19:57 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote: > > Hi there > > Hi > > > Which desktops work without systemd? > > A list would be nice. > > I'm running mate on an upgraded to

[DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there?

I'm running a very minimal install of devuan ascii on my old Apple iMac. Using xdm to login, twm as the window manager, and xfe for file management. Then dillo and Firefox for web-browsing. Aptitude shows that libsystemd0 is still there but pulseaudio etc depend on it and I have never been

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

Narcis Garcia wrote: > As Far As I Know, CPU makes what software asks to do. > If software doesn't call some CPU functions, those functions will not work. Well, maybe, but these days you can't take that on trust. Your OS no longer runs native on the processor - there's

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

Narcis Garcia wrote: >El 15/08/17 a les 17:04, Hendrik Boom ha escrit: >> What implications does this have for security? Allow me to shudder. >As Far As I Know, CPU makes what software asks to do. >If software doesn't call some CPU functions, those functions will not work. The

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

El 15/08/17 a les 17:04, Hendrik Boom ha escrit: > On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 04:29:50PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On 15/08/2017 at 05:13, taii...@gmx.com wrote: >>> FYI Many big companies get intel to include classified instruction >>> sets to give them some kind of competitive edge. >>> >>>

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

It would be naive to think that CPU producers don't build in a backdoor. This is why I take an interest in Chinese CPUs. At this point they are only RISC processors, but before long they should produce a product competitive with Intel. I suppose it will also have a back door, door, but China seems

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 16:45:05 +1000 Erik Christiansen wrote: > Finding Devuan, and subscribing last night, I'm keen to replace my > Debian 9.0 "Systemdix"¹, even at the cost of reverting to older > packages. But I don't much like Gnome either, and have become quite >

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 04:29:50PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 15/08/2017 at 05:13, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > FYI Many big companies get intel to include classified instruction > > sets to give them some kind of competitive edge. > > > > I can't find the link but it was in a bloomberg

Re: [DNG] OT: most processors are insecure (was Re: Nvidia Drivers)

On 15/08/2017 at 05:13, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > FYI Many big companies get intel to include classified instruction > sets to give them some kind of competitive edge. > > I can't find the link but it was in a bloomberg article about xeon CPU's. Maybe it's this piece:

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

There's no release for ascii yet. You'll just have to dist-upgrade from jessie if you want to try it. I've been running ascii + experimental/eudev on my work desktop and laptop for a few months without trouble. -- Tomas > I might just settle for the default XFCE for a while, after all: Life

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On 15.08.17 20:03, Tom Cassidy wrote: > Have you thought about LXQt? Upstream LXDE stopped development a while > back and merged with Razor-qt into the new project running on Qt > instead of GTK. Oh, dear world, please slow down. I can't keep up. > Unfortunately it's only in repositories for

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Have you thought about LXQt? Upstream LXDE stopped development a while back and merged with Razor-qt into the new project running on Qt instead of GTK. Unfortunately it's only in repositories for ascii and later, so not available on jessie. -- Tomas > I've downloaded the CD iso, and will try

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On 15.08.17 08:54, KatolaZ wrote: > Hi Erik, > > you are welcome to ask technical questions on this ML. There is no > stated prefrerence for the forum anywhere. ... Many thanks, KatolaZ, for the clarification. It seems that Devuan is a welcoming community, not averse to new members, after all.

Re: [DNG] Which desktops work without systemd

On Thu, 2016-04-21 at 19:57 +0200, Rob van der Putten wrote: > Hi there Hi > Which desktops work without systemd? > A list would be nice. I'm running mate on an upgraded to ascii VM. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

[DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

OK, so it is NOT a Devuan policy to direct people to use dev1galaxy.org to ask their questions, notwithstanding such questions, are unrelated to development. Please, consider this a closed case. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. (Albert Einstein) If you

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

My office desktop runs KDE on Devuan, without any problems. Arnt ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Den 2017-08-15 kl. 08:45, skrev Erik Christiansen: Finding Devuan, and subscribing last night, I'm keen to replace my Debian 9.0 "Systemdix"¹, even at the cost of reverting to older packages. But I don't much like Gnome either, and have become quite used to LXDE - especially the boot speed of

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 05:32:04PM +1000, Erik Christiansen wrote: [cut] > > Ah, that is very disappointing. After more than 30 years of using *nix, > I have not transitioned to the use of fora. The login necessity offends > nearly as much as systemd, but I find that several years go by between

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 09:13:21AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: [cut] > > P.S. > For questions like these users are encouraged to use the forum: > dev1galaxy.org > Uh? Since when are people encouraged to do so? This ML is a technical and social one. People are free to ask technical questions

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On 15.08.17 09:13, Edward Bartolo wrote: > As far as I can tell the default is XFCE. However, Linux is not MS > Windows meaning you can start off from a base system with just a > terminal. Then, you can install whatever graphical interface you want. > Keep in mind some desktop might be unavailable

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

As far as I can tell the default is XFCE. However, Linux is not MS Windows meaning you can start off from a base system with just a terminal. Then, you can install whatever graphical interface you want. Keep in mind some desktop might be unavailable as disentagling them from systemd/libsystemd et

[DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Finding Devuan, and subscribing last night, I'm keen to replace my Debian 9.0 "Systemdix"¹, even at the cost of reverting to older packages. But I don't much like Gnome either, and have become quite used to LXDE - especially the boot speed of the leaner environment. So the question is as put in