Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > This was true in thousands of other people's experience. You are a very amusing person. Thank you for that. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] An alternative to Devuan thread

> Is this a new thread about the top/bottom posting in soviet union by > Volkswagen? This makes no sense, but when I discovered this comedy gold message, I had to laugh. Three random responses on this thread in the past three days, and you make them all... well done! xD >

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 12:41:49 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 10:36:16AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> So, this is again an advice that should be obvious for anyone, bold >> enough to delete parts of the file system, that can result in system >>

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 13:11:36 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 07:02:41PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 17:19:48 +0200 >> Didier Kryn wrote: >> >>> AFAIR I fully agreed on that and then it jumped into

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 19:57:34 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 26/08/2017 à 19:02, Alessandro Selli a écrit : >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 17:19:48 +0200 >> Didier Kryn wrote: >> >>> AFAIR I fully agreed on that and then it jumped into my face that >>> the

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

I am grateful for this thread being on topic again. Adam Borowski - 26.08.17, 20:54: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 05:19:48PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > AFAIR I fully agreed on that and then it jumped into my face that the > > renaming wasn't necessary at all, because it is sufficient to know the

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 05:19:48PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > AFAIR I fully agreed on that and then it jumped into my face that the > renaming wasn't necessary at all, because it is sufficient to know the MAC > address and ignore completely the interface name. It is just enough for this > to

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

Le 26/08/2017 à 19:02, Alessandro Selli a écrit : On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 17:19:48 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: AFAIR I fully agreed on that and then it jumped into my face that the renaming wasn't necessary at all, because it is sufficient to know the MAC address and ignore

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

Den 26/08/2017 18:41, skrev Hendrik Boom: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 10:36:16AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> There is a betwitched command, tar, that can be used to create >> archives of any directory. So, the obvious action to me is, make a >> tar.gz archive before deleting any system

Re: [DNG] serial and ps2 ports.

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 01:01:10PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > That's PS/2, not RS232. > > True, true. And there seem to be two different sizes of those > round plugs in use. At least, I've seen adapters to connect between > the two sizes. > > My system isn't as obsolete as I thought. >

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 07:02:41PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 17:19:48 +0200 > Didier Kryn wrote: > > > AFAIR I fully agreed on that and then it jumped into my face that > > the renaming wasn't necessary at all, because it is sufficient to know

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 17:19:48 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > AFAIR I fully agreed on that and then it jumped into my face that > the renaming wasn't necessary at all, because it is sufficient to know > the MAC address and ignore completely the interface name. It is just >

[DNG] serial and ps2 ports.

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 06:54:11PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 12:45:27PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 02:34:36PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 23:23:47 +0200 (CEST) > > > k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > > > > > >

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 12:45:27PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 02:34:36PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 23:23:47 +0200 (CEST) > > k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > > > > Manually creating xorg.conf is required if you e.g. has a serial > > > (rs232)

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 09:03:04 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > >> 1) they did not work (a lot of the times); > > That was not true in my long and varied experience. This was true in thousands of other people's

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 02:34:36PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 23:23:47 +0200 (CEST) > k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > > Manually creating xorg.conf is required if you e.g. has a serial > > (rs232) mouse. > > Who does? Really, who today uses a mouse based on a

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 10:36:16AM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: > So, this is again an advice that should be obvious for anyone, bold > enough to delete parts of the file system, that can result in system > breakage. > > There is a betwitched command, tar, that can be used to create > archives of

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > 1) they did not work (a lot of the times); That was not true in my long and varied experience. (I have run installfests for eight or nine Linux and BSD user groups in the San Francisco Bay Area from the middle 1990s to the present day.) >

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

Le 26/08/2017 à 16:35, Alessandro Selli a écrit : On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 15:04:51 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: Le 26/08/2017 à 14:14, Alessandro Selli a écrit : My main subject was questionning the necessity of renaming network interfaces (with my answer to the question).

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 15:04:51 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 26/08/2017 à 14:14, Alessandro Selli a écrit : >>> My main subject was questionning the necessity of renaming network >>> interfaces (with my answer to the question). Since nobody argumented >>> that renaming was

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 at 01:03:10 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > Hi! > I'd like to recommend another improvement: let's make the installer default > to noatime for fstab it creates. I agree. Alessandro ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] fvwm

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 at 03:59:17 +0200 Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 06:13:30PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: >> So, anyway, X11 somewhat sucks. (Will Wayland suck less? Don't hold >> your breath waiting.) > > On one hand, X desperately needed a clean rewrite,

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

Le 26/08/2017 à 14:14, Alessandro Selli a écrit : My main subject was questionning the necessity of renaming network interfaces (with my answer to the question). Since nobody argumented that renaming was necessary, it is clear for me that renaming is a feature invented to give more

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 at 22:46:28 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: [...] > (and, for what it's worth, my preference is to stick with ethX as a > default, My favourite choice for the default behaviour, too. Alessandro

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 23:23:47 +0200 (CEST) k...@aspodata.se wrote: > Manually creating xorg.conf is required if you e.g. has a serial > (rs232) mouse. Who does? Really, who today uses a mouse based on a technology that went out of production some 15 years ago and uses a connector that is

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 14:32:39 -0700 Rick Moen wrote: > Red Hat's > easy/GUI X configuration tool was called Xconfigurator.[1] I vaguely > recall that SUSE and Debian, among many others, had various other ones > with a variety of names. They were all dropped for the

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 at 15:13:40 +0200 Didier Kryn wrote: [...] > My main subject was questionning the necessity of renaming network > interfaces (with my answer to the question). Since nobody argumented > that renaming was necessary, it is clear for me that renaming is a

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

Edward Bartolo [2017-08-26 10:36]: > So, this is again an advice that should be obvious for anyone, bold > enough to delete parts of the file system, that can result in system > breakage. > > There is a betwitched command, tar, that can be used to create > archives of any directory. So, the

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

On 26/08/17 09:05, Ralph Ronnquist wrote: Svante Signell wrote on 26/08/17 16:57: On Sat, 2017-08-26 at 06:51 +0100, Dave Turner wrote: I have a working devuan ascii with no systemd no dbus no udev and no pulseaudio on my old iMac. (no X11 either, but we'll come to that) I installed eudev

[DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

So, this is again an advice that should be obvious for anyone, bold enough to delete parts of the file system, that can result in system breakage. There is a betwitched command, tar, that can be used to create archives of any directory. So, the obvious action to me is, make a tar.gz archive

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

Svante Signell wrote on 26/08/17 16:57: On Sat, 2017-08-26 at 06:51 +0100, Dave Turner wrote: I have a working devuan ascii with no systemd no dbus no udev and no pulseaudio on my old iMac. (no X11 either, but we'll come to that) I installed eudev and then I deleted /etc/init.d/udev and

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

On Sat, 2017-08-26 at 06:51 +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > > I have a working devuan ascii with no systemd no dbus no udev and no > pulseaudio on my old iMac. (no X11 either, but we'll come to that) > I installed eudev and then I deleted /etc/init.d/udev and rebooted. ... > udev is gone and is

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

Dave Turner wrote: > I have a working devuan ascii with no systemd no dbus no udev and no > pulseaudio on my old iMac. (no X11 either, but we'll come to that) > I installed eudev and then I deleted /etc/init.d/udev and rebooted. That's great. > I can cope with twm and I really like ctwm so I