Re: [DNG] noatime by default

> On Aug 28, 2017, at 9:53 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > > This has been an interesting thread and has piqued my interest in > getting an SSD for my Thinkpad T410. I see that Amazon is selling the > Samsung 850 EVO 500GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD for $140.00 which > seems to be

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

On 08/28/2017 07:59 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Anyway, as I mentined in another post a few minutes ago, it does seem > to be recognising it after all, but as a unknown Linux distro, > failing tto notice it's Devun. This is correct. Grub does not recognize devuan. Add a stanza for devuan to

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

This has been an interesting thread and has piqued my interest in getting an SSD for my Thinkpad T410. I see that Amazon is selling the Samsung 850 EVO 500GB 2.5-Inch SATA III Internal SSD for $140.00 which seems to be about the best price on the Web. Examining its specs, it seems as though

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 08:25:19PM -0500, Hector Gonzalez wrote: > On 08/28/2017 06:59 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 06:50:42PM -0500, Hector Gonzalez wrote: > >>On 08/28/2017 06:35 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >>>On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 03:56:13PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: >

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

On 08/28/2017 06:59 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 06:50:42PM -0500, Hector Gonzalez wrote: On 08/28/2017 06:35 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 03:56:13PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 06:37:04PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: Now I can't

Re: [DNG] Lost in grub

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 13:51:34 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message <83f4fdb4-aa61-965e-6ec0-9fc84f851...@gmail.com>: > On 08/28/2017 10:55 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Grub seems a lot more complicated now than it used to be a few > > years ago when I last upgraded Debian from one release to another.

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 06:50:42PM -0500, Hector Gonzalez wrote: > On 08/28/2017 06:35 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 03:56:13PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > >>On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 06:37:04PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > >>>Now I can't figure out how to set options so that

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

On 08/28/2017 06:35 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 03:56:13PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 06:37:04PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: Now I can't figure out how to set options so that update-grub uses os-prober. You do have the os-prober package installed,

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 03:56:13PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 06:37:04PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Now I can't figure out how to set options so that update-grub uses > > os-prober. > > You do have the os-prober package installed, yes? Wait a minute. It did

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 03:56:13PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 06:37:04PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Now I can't figure out how to set options so that update-grub uses > > os-prober. > > You do have the os-prober package installed, yes? Yes.

Re: [DNG] using os-prober

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 06:37:04PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Now I can't figure out how to set options so that update-grub uses > os-prober. You do have the os-prober package installed, yes? Greg -- web site: http://www.gregn.net gpg public key: http://www.gregn.net/pubkey.asc skype:

[DNG] using os-prober

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 07:48:22PM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > Do I understand correctly that grub-install will scan my only hard > > drive looking for (at least) bootable Linux systems? And that as a > > result, running grub-install on the

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 15:53:56 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > Bear in mind that with a Window Manager, you can only adjust fonts for > the windows, not the applications in side the windows. Those > applications are adjustable via the adjuster program for their library: > Qt

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Am 2017-08-28 21:53, schrieb Steve Litt: Bear in mind that with a Window Manager, you can only adjust fonts for the windows, not the applications in side the windows. Those applications are adjustable via the adjuster program for their library: Qt or Gtk. So you have to run the adjuster program

Re: [DNG] ctwm

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 20:32:56 +0100 Dave Turner wrote: > A nicely documented ctwmrc file is here:- Very nice! I might investigate using ctwm as my daily driver WMDE instead of Openbox. > >

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 at 12:58:24 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote: > El 28/08/17 a les 11:59, Alessandro Selli ha escrit: >> On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 at 17:18:28 -0500 >> d_pridge wrote: >> >>> Doesn't this affect the expected lifetime for an SSD? >> >>

[DNG] Lost in grub

GRUB complicated, Nah! If you are using an MBR formatted disk it should be quite easy to tame down GRUB. What I do is keep it tied in a locked cage where it cannot do any harm! Just use a dedicated partition for GRUB. In it install a very minimal Debian or whatever Linux OS, boot it, install GRUB

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

On Mon, 28 Aug 2017 18:37:00 +0200 "J. Fahrner" wrote: > Am 2017-08-28 18:26, schrieb Edward Bartolo: > > XFCE 4 gives me font type/size configurability. Window Managers do > > not give me that functionality expecting me to spend hours upon > > hours ruining my eyes groping in

Re: [DNG] ctwm

On 28/08/17 02:14, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, Dave Turner mentioned ctwm in the "devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE" thread, and because I've failed at every attempt to use twm, I tried ctwm. The package manager installs it like a breeze, but in the tradition of

Re: [DNG] devuan ascii - how much of systemd is still in there? UPDATE

On 28/08/17 01:03, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 06:51:24 +0100 Dave Turner wrote: I have a working devuan ascii with no systemd no dbus no udev and no pulseaudio on my old iMac. (no X11 either, but we'll come to that) Very nice! I

Re: [DNG] Lost in grub

And the other option is to chroot and update/install grub from there (not mine, just copied from another list) : mkdir /sysroot mount /dev/your-root-dev /sysroot mount /dev/your-boot-dev /sysroot/boot mount --bind /dev /sysroot/dev mount --bind /sys /sysroot/sys mount --bind /proc /sysroot/proc

Re: [DNG] Lost in grub

Hendrik Boom wrote: > Do I understand correctly that grub-install will scan my only hard > drive looking for (at least) bootable Linux systems? And that as a > result, running grub-install on the old system will detect both and > create a grub menu that contains both?

Re: [DNG] Lost in grub

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 01:51:34PM -0400, fsmithred wrote: > On 08/28/2017 10:55 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Grub seems a lot more complicated now than it used to be a few years > > ago when I last upgraded Debian from one release to another. > > > > My usual procedure is to copy the system to

Re: [DNG] Lost in grub

On 08/28/2017 10:55 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Grub seems a lot more complicated now than it used to be a few years > ago when I last upgraded Debian from one release to another. > > My usual procedure is to copy the system to new partitions (adjusting > the size according to what I actually

Re: [DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

Am 2017-08-28 18:26, schrieb Edward Bartolo: XFCE 4 gives me font type/size configurability. Window Managers do not give me that functionality expecting me to spend hours upon hours ruining my eyes groping in configuration files for the relevant settings. Sure they do! Try Bunsenlabs Linux

[DNG] Which desktops are available in Devuan?

XFCE 4 gives me font type/size configurability. Window Managers do not give me that functionality expecting me to spend hours upon hours ruining my eyes groping in configuration files for the relevant settings. Some people do not have the luxury of a pair of very strong eyes - small fonts are a

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

Alessandro Selli wrote: >> Do I understand you ccorrectly: that the udev rules are flexible >> enough to do the right thing, but they are too hard to use? > > Yes. On some occations I had to find out where in /sys a device had it's > control and attribute

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

El 28/08/17 a les 12:47, Arnt Gulbrandsen ha escrit: > If you want to do it it can be done, though. You can intercept the mount > system call using LD_PRELOAD and about 10 lines of C, or you can write > an /etc/fstab line for /mnt that specifies noatime and your usual USB > device (perhaps sdb1,

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

El 28/08/17 a les 11:59, Alessandro Selli ha escrit: > On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 at 17:18:28 -0500 > d_pridge wrote: > >> Doesn't this affect the expected lifetime for an SSD? > > Little. AFAIK this used to be a more serious concern on the first > generation of SSDs, because

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

If you want to do it it can be done, though. You can intercept the mount system call using LD_PRELOAD and about 10 lines of C, or you can write an /etc/fstab line for /mnt that specifies noatime and your usual USB device (perhaps sdb1, YMMV). If you write the fstab line at least "sudo mount

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

Narcis Garcia writes: USB drives use filesystem as were formatted. When they are formatted in ext4, support atime. Indeed. I assumed you meant USB drives generally, not ones restricted to work only with linux. Sorry. I was asking for a method to set noatime by default. Is udev/eudev

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 at 19:23:11 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Aug 27, 2017 at 12:05:56AM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> >> This idea does has some merit, but it cannot always prevent the >> necessity to reconfigure a system's networking due to a hardware

[DNG] noatime by default

Defaults can be changed after installation. Why are some insisting that the installer does that for them? Why must noatime be a default? Some programs require noatime which means this will break them. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 at 17:18:28 -0500 d_pridge wrote: > Doesn't this affect the expected lifetime for an SSD? Little. AFAIK this used to be a more serious concern on the first generation of SSDs, because they suffered strongly from write-wear and because firmware, drivers

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

El 28/08/17 a les 10:48, Arnt Gulbrandsen ha escrit: > Narcis Garcia writes: >> Does anybody know some way to configure an already installed system to >> mount points with noatime by default? > > Edit /etc/fstab. > >> I'm specially interested for USB pendrives, that are automatically >> mounted

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

Narcis Garcia writes: Does anybody know some way to configure an already installed system to mount points with noatime by default? Edit /etc/fstab. I'm specially interested for USB pendrives, that are automatically mounted in a desktop environment. USB drives generally use some sort of

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

El 27/08/17 a les 20:53, John Franklin ha escrit: > On Sat, 2017-08-26 at 16:14 +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 at 01:03:10 +0200 >> Adam Borowski wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> I'd like to recommend another improvement: let's make the installer >>> default >>>