Re: [DNG] Again, again: DMARC is a no-win problem for mailing lists

2019-12-29 Thread terryc
On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 13:01:25 + Mark Rousell wrote: > On 28/12/2019 07:01, Steve Litt wrote: > > So, if we insist on assisting Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail, and their ilk, > > and all their users, by incorporating DMARC > > Really, it's surely not a matter of willingly helping them. It's more > a

Re: [DNG] Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd'

2019-12-29 Thread terryc
On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 23:11:16 +1100 Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi, > > On 28/12/19 9:03 pm, Alexis PM via Dng wrote: > > A mediocre result, neither good nor bad. The best option for people > > who don't want to use systemd, Option 6

Re: [DNG] Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd'

2019-12-29 Thread tom
On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 23:11:16 +1100 Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi, > > On 28/12/19 9:03 pm, Alexis PM via Dng wrote: > > A mediocre result, neither good nor bad. The best option for people > > who don't want to use systemd, Option 6

Re: [DNG] Can we fix this DMARC thing?

2019-12-29 Thread Rick Moen
[Redirecting back onto the mailing list for a moment, from Adrian's sudden digression into private mail.] Quoting Adrian Zaugg (a...@ente.limmat.ch): > I think this DKIM issue or non-issue is just noise for others. Concur. But: I participate on public mailing lists in order to have a public

Re: [DNG] Again, again: DMARC is a no-win problem for mailing lists

2019-12-29 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > Can I hope that it won't append a Reply-To: header if there is already one? I really have no idea. Mailman's versions of the last few years have, if as listadmin you have the poor judgement to enforce Reply-To munging via the admin WebUI, done

Re: [DNG] Again, again: DMARC is a no-win problem for mailing lists

2019-12-29 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Bernard Rosset via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > On a more gneric topic, what I read about DMARC over here seems to > be a bit unfair. If you mean specifically my own postings on the subject, that's quite arguably true, especially the stuff I wrote a bit over a year ago, when I was well

Re: [DNG] Again, again: DMARC is a no-win problem for mailing lists

2019-12-29 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting g4sra via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > Thanks Rick, I appreciate that chain of summaries and the time it has > saved now not having to dig through archives. No problem! E-mail is a dreadful solution to the problem of collective knowledge, and I really ought to post that somewhere

Re: [DNG] Again, again: DMARC is a no-win problem for mailing lists

2019-12-29 Thread g4sra via Dng
On 29/12/2019 07:47, Rick Moen wrote: [snip] Thanks Rick, I appreciate that chain of summaries and the time it has saved now not having to dig through archives. Email has probably got to be one of my weakest areas of knowlege, I have learnt something today. When drawing my own conclusions I pay

Re: [DNG] Again, again: DMARC is a no-win problem for mailing lists

2019-12-29 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 09:41:48PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > > tl;dr: Mailman will now munge the From: address if and only if the > sender's domain publishes a problematic DMARC policy, to substitute the > mailing list's address for the sender's. On those mails, Mailman > also appends a

Re: [DNG] Again, again: DMARC is a no-win problem for mailing lists : solved by workaround

2019-12-29 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 21:41:48 -0800 Rick Moen wrote: > tl;dr: Mailman will now munge the From: address if and only if the > sender's domain publishes a problematic DMARC policy, to substitute > the mailing list's address for the sender's. On those mails, Mailman > also appends a Reply-To:

Re: [DNG] Again, again: DMARC is a no-win problem for mailing lists

2019-12-29 Thread Bernard Rosset via Dng
On 29/12/2019 06:30, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Mark Rousell (mark.rous...@signal100.com): That said, the mail list *does* seem to work as Steve wants. It really doesn't. On 28/12/2019 14:16, Mark Rousell wrote: At least it does for my mail client (Thunderbird). It definitely seems to be