Re: [DNG] Device naming: was Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-16 Thread tuxd3v
Citando Ian Zimmerman : On 2020-05-16 13:10, Rick Moen via Dng wrote: I meant multiple subtrees of device node files classified in lots of different and overlapping ways, by-uuid, and on and on. I'll take that one :-P Last year I nearly lost all my image and audio data, some 100G. I guess th

Re: [DNG] tobacco patch?

2020-05-16 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-05-16 16:51, Hendrik Boom wrote: > What do you mean by "tobacco patch"? It's an analogy with a medical device used to help smokers with quitting. -- Ian ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/list

Re: [DNG] Device naming: was Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-16 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-05-16 13:10, Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > I meant multiple subtrees of device node files classified in lots > of different and overlapping ways, by-uuid, and on and on. I'll take that one :-P Last year I nearly lost all my image and audio data, some 100G. I guess that's small potatoes toda

Re: [DNG] Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-16 Thread tuxd3v
Hello, Citando Steve Litt : It's such a shame. Runit and s6 were both there, waiting to be picked up and used. Both were 10 times easier than sysvinit. But n. All init systems that want to be taken seriously, need to accept also the system language.. As I understand, and was also

[DNG] tobacco patch?

2020-05-16 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 05:30:03AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Runit and s6's process supervisors can also be used as tobacco patches > for sysvinit. > What do you mean by "tobacco patch"? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://m

Re: [DNG] Check default_transport if you can't send email through Postfix

2020-05-16 Thread tuxd3v
hi, Citando Rick Moen via Dng : Quoting Ian Zimmerman (i...@very.loosely.org): Hi Rick :) Greetings, friend! Is there a reference to a Debian mailing list (or a similar digital history document) where the decision to switch to Postfix was taken? Upon re-examination, I believe I erred, and

Re: [DNG] Device naming: was Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-16 Thread Rick Moen via Dng
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > If you're referring to the ethernet device being eno1 or enWhichUSB22 > instead of eth0, or wxbd3 or wl21Poettering423 instead of wlan0, I > prefer the new way. Here's why: No, that's not what I meant (and network interfaces don't have device node

[DNG] Device naming: was Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 16 May 2020 11:40:03 -0700 Rick Moen via Dng wrote: > [1] E.g., I remain unconvinced I need a half-dozen different ways to > refer to a device node. If you're referring to the ethernet device being eno1 or enWhichUSB22 instead of eth0, or wxbd3 or wl21Poettering423 instead of wlan0, I

Re: [DNG] Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 16 May 2020 11:41:29 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: > On Saturday 16 May 2020 at 11:30:03, Steve Litt wrote: > > > You know, runit's or s6's process supervisor could be used, on > > systemd systems, as a tobacco patch to wean the user off systemd, > > one process at a time. As each daemon get

Re: [DNG] Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-16 Thread Rick Moen via Dng
Quoting Antony Stone (antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it): > It may have been sold that way in the early days, but it's now > infiltrated so many parts of the GNU / Linux system that just telling > people (or showing them) that they can use something else to manage > their daemons is no longer eno

Re: [DNG] Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-16 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 16 May 2020 at 11:30:03, Steve Litt wrote: > You know, runit's or s6's process supervisor could be used, on systemd > systems, as a tobacco patch to wean the user off systemd, one process > at a time. As each daemon gets moved to runit or s6, that daemon's unit > file name gets put in

[DNG] Felker Init: was without-systemd.org not working

2020-05-16 Thread Steve Litt
On Fri, 15 May 2020 14:44:06 -1000 Joel Roth via Dng wrote: > Reminds me to revisit https://ewontfix.com/14/ > for Felker's Broken by Design article on systemd. That web page changed my life. When I saw, on that page, how simple PID1 could really be, that was when I really started to despise sy