Re: [DNG] history

2020-08-06 Thread Dimitris via Dng
On 8/7/20 12:36 AM, marc wrote: > People being easily identified and > tracked in real life is something that strengthens authoritarian regimes > (whether fascist or communist) as well coercive corporate interests. there were no communist authoritarian regimes in history.. communist by name perh

Re: [DNG] Zoom? Rather not...

2020-08-06 Thread tempforever
marc wrote: >> For me security refers primarily to file access. This takes me back to >> my question. If I craete a new user, named zoom for example, and have >> it run zoom, won't that limit access files on my HD? > > Yes, under two conditions: > > - your other users (holding confidential d

Re: [DNG] Can't install Gwenview on Devuan Beowulf with XFCE

2020-08-06 Thread Ludovic Bellière
Hi Emiliano, In conflict resolution, I find aptitude to be superior. You should use it too :) On the matter of gwenview, it is part of the KDE desktop, which depends on elogind. By default, XFCE uses consolekit which is in conflict and thus fails the install. Thus, you'll have to switch from cons

Re: [DNG] Zoom? Rather not...

2020-08-06 Thread marc
> I'm a product of the Great > Depresssion, and so security for me fixates on political snooping. I'm > less concerned about being ripped off than looming fascism. I'm not > suggsting your concern is not important, jut that it is not the same > as my own. My concerns relate to both of those. P

Re: [DNG] Zoom? Rather not...

2020-08-06 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting ael (adrian.lawre...@physics.oxon.org): > One hopes so. But I had to install the zoom deb package via root. > Since it is closed source, who knows what the package might do? I hope you know that 'ar vx $THING.deb' unpacks $THING.deb in place, without installing it. Doing that gives you t

[DNG] Can't install Gwenview on Devuan Beowulf with XFCE

2020-08-06 Thread Emiliano Marini via Dng
Hi all, I wonder if it's possible to install Gwenview (the image viewer from KDE) on a XFCE installation. I have this sources configuration: root@vaio:/home/emi# cat /etc/apt/sources.list ## package repositories deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged beowulf main deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/

Re: [DNG] Zoom? Rather not...

2020-08-06 Thread wirelessduck--- via Dng
> On 6 Aug 2020, at 20:52, Haines Brown wrote: > > For me security refers primarily to file access. This takes me back to > my question. If I craete a new user, named zoom for example, and have > it run zoom, won't that limit access files on my HD? With the dpkg-deb utility you can extract a

Re: [DNG] Zoom? Rather not...

2020-08-06 Thread Joril via Dng
Hello, On 06/08/20 15:27, ael wrote: Actually zoom does offer a tarball for download, so that can be checked and so is safer than a closed deb. Well if you want you can inspect debs too, Midnight commander even provides a "virtual filesystem" implementation for it Bye! _

Re: [DNG] Zoom? Rather not...

2020-08-06 Thread ael
On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 02:23:04PM +0100, ael wrote: > On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 06:52:06AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > > For me security refers primarily to file access. This takes me back to > > my question. If I craete a new user, named zoom for example, and have > > it run zoom, won't that lim

Re: [DNG] End-end encryption (was: Zoom? Rather not...)

2020-08-06 Thread Simon Hobson
marc...@welz.org.za wrote: > Some people are going to say "not possible, the call is > end-to-end encrypted". Actually no. Illustrative example: The > intercept reported that zoom claimed end-to-end encryption, > but instead had one shared key, and used ECB (a really poor > way of using a cypher).

Re: [DNG] Zoom? Rather not...

2020-08-06 Thread ael
On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 06:52:06AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > For me security refers primarily to file access. This takes me back to > my question. If I craete a new user, named zoom for example, and have > it run zoom, won't that limit access files on my HD? One hopes so. But I had to install

Re: [DNG] Zoom? Rather not...

2020-08-06 Thread Haines Brown
Marc, your insights much appreciated. Interesting, though, is a certain generation gap. Security these days seems to refer to personal information that evil doers can exploit to deprive you of your poions. I'm a product of the Great Depresssion, and so security for me fixates on political

Re: [DNG] Free faces?

2020-08-06 Thread d...@d404.nl
On 06-08-2020 01:08, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 01:00:02AM +0200, marc...@welz.org.za wrote: >> Recall a while ago some company called clearview.ai made the >> news - given a picture of a person it finds all the other >> photos of that person online, and does a good job of it too

Re: [DNG] Free faces?

2020-08-06 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Hendrik Boom - 06.08.20, 01:08:33 CEST: > On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 01:00:02AM +0200, marc...@welz.org.za wrote: > > Recall a while ago some company called clearview.ai made the > > news - given a picture of a person it finds all the other > > photos of that person online, and does a good job of it t