[DNG] make-rc: A parallel (as in make(1)) alternative to sysv-rc

2022-01-04 Thread Alejandro Colomar (man-pages) via Dng
Hi all, Most of you I added you to this email because I found you on the maintainers list for the Debian sysv-rc package (now dead for a long time). I also CCd Devuan, since I hope you'll be interested in this little project of mine. I also CCd linux-man@, since there's not many people

Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

2022-01-04 Thread aitor
Hi Karl, On 4/1/22 22:17, k...@aspodata.se wrote: the problem is that the lib is on a filesystem that isn't available at kernel to init handover time. Did you try something like this: copy_exec /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre2-8.so.0 in a hook located at/usr/share/initramfs-tools, in

Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

2022-01-04 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 04/01/2022 à 23:38, Hendrik Boom a écrit : On Tue, Jan 04, 2022 at 05:09:58PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: There is no utility in splitting the OS in several partitions. Might it make sense to have /usr mounted readonly except when upgradng or installing paackages?     What could you fear

Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

2022-01-04 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Jan 04, 2022 at 05:09:58PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > There is no utility in splitting the OS in several partitions. Might it make sense to have /usr mounted readonly except when upgradng or installing paackages? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing

Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox

2022-01-04 Thread Bob Proulx via Dng
Antoine via Dng wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > With my /bin/sh (which I believe is dash) I had to change: > > > > function whatever { > > > > to > > > > whatever() { > > > > on all three function declarations. > > Yes, now that you mention it, that tends to vary between shells. I should >

Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

2022-01-04 Thread karl
Antoine: > On Monday, 3 January at 18:25, k...@aspodata.se wrote: ... > >$ ldd /sbin/init | grep /usr > >libpcre2-8.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre2-8.so.0 > > (0x7f737ba28000) ... > Maybe your /etc/ld.so.cache is misconfigured? ... What makes you believe that ?

Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

2022-01-04 Thread Antoine via Dng
On Monday, 3 January at 18:25, k...@aspodata.se wrote: The first one gives me an unbootable system $ ldd /sbin/init | grep /usr libpcre2-8.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre2-8.so.0 (0x7f737ba28000) fortunately /bin/bash didn't depend on /usr so I could boot with

Re: [DNG] inferno and FlyingTux

2022-01-04 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 08.08.21 22:01, Steve Litt wrote: Hendrik Boom said on Sat, 7 Aug 2021 17:20:58 -0400 So putting it on top of Android and then using Infirno apps might well be a way to alleviate some of the Android non-interoperability, -- hendrik If all we're talking about is making apps for phones

Re: [DNG] Announce: FlyingTux project

2022-01-04 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 06.08.21 22:19, Steve Litt wrote: Hi, If I've got this right, FlyingTux is or creates containers hosting applications somebody develops. Do I have that right so far? correct. What language(s) are best for building a FlyingTux container? doesn't quite matter, as long as this works well

Re: [DNG] Announce: FlyingTux project

2022-01-04 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 06.08.21 22:16, Steve Litt wrote: Hendrik Boom said on Fri, 6 Aug 2021 13:40:32 -0400 On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 02:49:32PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: Hello folks, Have a look at inferno. http://inferno-os.org/ -- hendrik What's the relationship between Inferno

Re: [DNG] inferno and FlyingTux

2022-01-04 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 07.08.21 23:20, Hendrik Boom wrote: Inferno is the system I would have preferred Google used instead of Android. Ah, okay, that was a bit confusing ;-) Actually, I'd like to see a combination of both Linux and Plan9 concepts - using the Linux kernel for all the HW stuff but extend it to

Re: [DNG] ..another viable basis idea for Devuan as a hypervisor?, was: Announce: FlyingTux project

2022-01-04 Thread Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult
On 05.08.21 12:55, Arnt Karlsen wrote: Hi folks, sorry for being too busy for replying so long ... It's an build/runtime infrastructure for running desktop and mobile applications in containers and build an entirely container-based mobile OS based on it. ..I like the

Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox

2022-01-04 Thread Antoine via Dng
On Wednesday, 22 December at 07:08, Steve Litt wrote: (...) PDC (Pretty Darn Cool)! Thank you! With my /bin/sh (which I believe is dash) I had to change: function whatever { to whatever() { on all three function declarations. Yes, now that you mention it, that tends to vary between

Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

2022-01-04 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 04/01/2022 à 18:48, k...@aspodata.se a écrit : Didier: The simplest way to kick off problms with /usr merge is to *not* make /usr a mountpoint. Perhaps, but why break working systems, especially when they are 3h car ride from home and all in differnt locations. That is just rude. There is

Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

2022-01-04 Thread karl
Didier: > The simplest way to kick off problms with /usr merge is to *not* > make /usr a mountpoint. Perhaps, but why break working systems, especially when they are 3h car ride from home and all in differnt locations. That is just rude. > There is no utility in splitting the OS in several

Re: [DNG] busybox init

2022-01-04 Thread karl
Steve Litt: ... > If busybox init does not require daemons to self-background, I'd be > even more enthusiastic. ... Busybox init has its inittab, mostly for gettys, and a boot script, that is your options. Having daemons not-backgrounded in the rcS script isn't practical and I don't think that

Re: [DNG] busybox init

2022-01-04 Thread karl
Karl: > I have used busybox init for a while. It differs from sysvinit > by not having runlevels, except perhaps on and off. ... > One could possible (not tested) mimic sysvinit bootup by having > for i in /etc/rc2.d/S*; do $i start; done > in the rcS file or if you prefer you can have your own

Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

2022-01-04 Thread Curtis Maurand via Dng
> On Jan 4, 2022, at 11:10 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: > > The simplest way to kick off problms with /usr merge is to *not* make > /usr a mountpoint. There is no utility in splitting the OS in several > partitions. This wouldn't help you recover the OS if one partition is broken > since

Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

2022-01-04 Thread Didier Kryn
    The simplest way to kick off problms with /usr merge is to *not* make /usr a mountpoint. There is no utility in splitting the OS in several partitions. This wouldn't help you recover the OS if one partition is broken since the package manager installs/deinstalls files not only on /usr, but

Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

2022-01-04 Thread karl
Ralph: > On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 18:25:12 +0100 (CET) > k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > The first one gives me an unbootable system > > $ ldd /sbin/init | grep /usr > > libpcre2-8.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre2-8.so.0 > > (0x7f737ba28000) > > > > fortunately /bin/bash didn't

Re: [DNG] Question about the text editor named medit.

2022-01-04 Thread aitor
Hi, On 4/1/22 13:47, Ralph Ronnquist via Dng wrote: .. gratuitous result: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1372529/is-it-possible-to-get-latest-version-of-medit-aka-mooedit-for-ubuntu-20-04-lts The tarball was available; the rest is for ubuntu of course The last packaging was in oldstable:

Re: [DNG] Question about the text editor named medit.

2022-01-04 Thread Ralph Ronnquist via Dng
On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 13:18:07 +0100 Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote: > Dear All, > > Upgrading to chimeara removed medit, a text editor I used for writing > code and any other plain text document. I could not install it and it > seems it has been removed from the repository. Searching online for a >

Re: [DNG] Question about the text editor named medit.

2022-01-04 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 04 January 2022 at 13:18:07, Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote: > Dear All, > > Upgrading to chimeara removed medit, a text editor I used for writing > code and any other plain text document. I could not install it and it > seems it has been removed from the repository. Searching online

[DNG] Question about the text editor named medit.

2022-01-04 Thread Edward Bartolo via Dng
Dear All, Upgrading to chimeara removed medit, a text editor I used for writing code and any other plain text document. I could not install it and it seems it has been removed from the repository. Searching online for a recently updated source tarball, I did not find any. It seems it has been

Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

2022-01-04 Thread Ralph Ronnquist via Dng
On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 18:25:12 +0100 (CET) k...@aspodata.se wrote: > The first one gives me an unbootable system > $ ldd /sbin/init | grep /usr > libpcre2-8.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpcre2-8.so.0 > (0x7f737ba28000) > > fortunately /bin/bash didn't depend on /usr so I could

Re: [DNG] busybox init

2022-01-04 Thread karl
Curtis Maurand: ... > I was reading the “comment on systemd” article. the last two sview > and svcpage could be aliases to those shell scripts rewritten to > take cli arguments in your .bashrc. Whats wrong with grep named /var/log/messages | less and similar ? /// Don't cc me, I'm on the

Re: [DNG] merged /usr breakage

2022-01-04 Thread karl
Steve Litt: > k...@aspodata.se said on Tue, 4 Jan 2022 00:08:01 +0100 (CET) ... > >busybox can replace the mount command, but there is no fsck.* in > >busybox. > > Rather than fighting the mostly political fight of usr-merge, If it makes systems unbootable it isn't a "political" fight. > my

Re: [DNG] busybox init

2022-01-04 Thread Curtis Maurand via Dng
> On Jan 3, 2022, at 6:08 PM, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > Didier Kryn: >>> Le 03/01/2022 à 21:27, tito via Dng a écrit : >>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 18:45:28 +0100 (CET) >>> k...@aspodata.se wrote: > ... The sysinit thing is a how you start the system, it's just one script