[DNG] A nice write-up.

2017-04-23 Thread Ron
www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/22/devuan_1_0_0_released/ Cheers, Ron. -- It is only by reducing people of flesh and blood to a mere idea that one can ignore the will of the majority in the name of democracy and institute a dictatorship in the name of freedom

Re: [DNG] ..timelessness and pricelessness, was: tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-20 Thread Ron
nned, like ballot, crashing the system > is not a big deal; which matters is to not deliver a wrong result. > Better crash than give a wrong result. In other words, always fail safe. Cheers, Ron. -- The world really isn't any worse. It's just that th

Re: [DNG] ..timelessness and pricelessness, was: tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-19 Thread Ron
ever forget that any complex system will work most of the time in partial-failure mode... Cheers, Ron. -- Tout homme bien portant peut se passer de manger pendant deux jours - de poésie, jamais. -- Charles Baudelaire

Re: [DNG] tiny service state api [WAS: Fwd: init system agnosticism]

2017-04-18 Thread Ron
as he has to know whether it is a unix/linux system or a systemd system, the two being rather different in their management... Cheers, Ron. -- Eat drink and be merry, for tomorrow we may diet.

Re: [DNG] Fwd: init system agnosticism [WAS: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system]

2017-04-13 Thread Ron
to use systemd. The choice exists already: the user can either use systemd running Debian, or not use it running Devuan. Cheers, Ron. -- When a woman marries again it is because she detested her first husband. When a man marries again, it is because he adored

Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry-Pi ?

2017-03-27 Thread Ron
On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:21:58 +0100 KatolaZ <kato...@freaknet.org> wrote: > > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_jessie_beta/embedded/devuan_jessie_1.0.0-beta2_arm64_raspi3.img.xz Would it run on the RP-2 ? Cheers, Ron. -- Physics

[DNG] Devuan for Raspberry-Pi ?

2017-03-27 Thread Ron
ISTR having seen a mention of this go past, I now have a Raspberry Pi, and cannot find where to download it ;-3( Does it still exist ? Cheers, Ron. -- Toddlers are the stormtroopers of the Lord of Entropy

Re: [DNG] defective RAID

2017-03-25 Thread Ron
nd > therefore which one to consider defective and not use? > > Do I need to wipe the missing drive completely before I connect it? > (I have another machine to do this on, using a USB-to-SATA interface). Picked up from somewhere, and used a couple times already. Long ! Cheers

Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here

2017-03-12 Thread Ron
th > that in place of Adblock (any variant). Have you considered rolling your own add-blocking with a list of unwanted sites in /etc/hosts ? Cheers, Ron. -- Laugh and the world laughs with you, snore and you sleep alone.

Re: [DNG] [ann] heads 0.0 is out!

2017-03-01 Thread Ron
olored "TOR" icon on your iPhone > is that the Jackboots can easily see it and know you're using it. But if > *EVERYONE* has it on their phone, it's no longer nearly as useful for > identifying people of interest. Is it that difficult to change the icon,

Re: [DNG] Gtk3-theme

2017-02-26 Thread Ron
the > sockets into which the windings are plugged: This technology is called > socket activation. The transmission drives the chain, which drives the > front wheel. A chain-driven front-wheel-drive noddy bike ? The mind boggles... Cheers, Ron. -- Nous avons tous assez

Re: [DNG] Browsers

2017-02-23 Thread Ron
it, > and when I restart it offers to reestablish all ite tabs it had > before, and after that procedure it's usable again. Memory leak > perhaps? I found that at times, when some sites like Facebook are opened in a tab, Firefox sometimes uses up 100% of cpu as reported by

Re: [DNG] Gtk3-theme

2017-02-22 Thread Ron
On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 10:04:07 +0100 Jochen Fahrner <j...@fahrner.name> wrote: > The next step after "no systemd" should be "no gnome". Move from Gtk to Qt ? Cheers, Ron. -- You're only young once, bu

Re: [DNG] Networking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-12-07 Thread Ron
put DHCP server on this computer > > 8) Verify lookup of devuan.org > a) If not, run some intelligent diagnostic software Cheers, Ron. -- Any man who hates dogs and babies can't be all bad. -- Leo Rosten, on W.C. Fields

Re: [DNG] Networking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-12-07 Thread Ron
ofit from it during that time. Introduced to make research economically viable. Cheers, Ron. -- Der Gedanke an den Selbstmord ist ein starkes Trostmittel: Mit ihm kommt man gut über manche böse Nacht hinweg. -- Friedrich

Re: [DNG] Networking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-12-06 Thread Ron
nly, I'll try yes. Different strokes. You'll never get > nonfree software, and I'll have maximal chance of getting an > installation running. Ready to bet the open-source talibans will find all kinds of excuses not to do this. They clam to be for freedom of choice, but some are as

Re: [DNG] Networking on installation: was Devuan GNU+Linux Beta2 release

2016-12-06 Thread Ron
all without having to go and hunt firmwares under the excuse that they are not open source, open-source talibans are doing exactly what they condemn in the systemd talibans: both take away from the user his liberty of choice. Cheers, Ron. -- L'homme ne peut

Re: [DNG] I ask Devuan to remove all defaming emails.

2016-11-30 Thread Ron
lable to all, on the Internet. Cheers, Ron. -- Caelum, non animum mutant qui trans mare currunt. -- Horace -- http://www.olgiati-in-

Re: [DNG] vdev - android

2016-09-02 Thread Ron
On Fri, 2 Sep 2016 09:59:29 -0400 Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > Have things changed? ISTR that they changed between Android 4 and Android 5; my 4 tablet mounted directly, while for my daughter's 5 phone I had to install some packages. Chee

Re: [DNG] OT: true read-only disk

2016-08-18 Thread Ron
ment is still true. > > The workaround given that time was to make a image of the whole device, make > that image immutable, and mount the partions of that image. Would mounting as ext2 (non journaling) help in that case ? Cheers, Ron. -- Everyone talks a

Re: [DNG] [Dng] What do you guys think about "Suggest" and "Recommends" dependency?

2016-07-31 Thread Ron
# cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/40nosuggestrecommends Apt::Install-Suggests false; Apt::Install-Recommends false; Cheers, Ron. -- They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safe

Re: [DNG] C Obfuscated code: a virtue or a vice?

2016-07-15 Thread Ron
On Fri, 15 Jul 2016 11:12:26 +0200 Jaromil <jaro...@dyne.org> wrote: > but yes, its definitely not polite nor useful to obfuscate code that > people uses. No need to obfuscate when you program in Iverson's APL ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- There are three

Re: [DNG] Digital camera management borked

2016-03-02 Thread Ron
lable in jessie), but it > couldn't even see the camera. The only way I have been able to access the > camera is through the thunar file manager at this address (which is in need > of some translation): Did you try gThumb ? Cheers, Ron. -- The plural of

Re: [DNG] Easynetaid is for now netman's new name

2016-02-07 Thread Ron
On Sun, 7 Feb 2016 14:55:27 + hellekin <helle...@dyne.org> wrote: > I'd like to suggest *netbeam*, also callable by `beammeup` or `beam [me] > up [Scotty]` I dont want to be beamed "up Scotty" ... Cheers, Ron. -- As long

Re: [DNG] Change netman into another name.

2016-02-03 Thread Ron
On Wed, 03 Feb 2016 14:50:46 +0100 aitor_czr <aitor_...@gnuinos.org> wrote: > Sorry, i'm sending messages from the future once again. In that case, could you let us know what name was finally chosen ? ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- Kilroe

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

2016-01-12 Thread Ron
a starting point for a related websearch. Simple enough to change this into: user@devuan:~$ echo "xfce4-session" >> ~/.xinitrc Cheers, Ron. -- The world really isn't any worse. It's just that the news coverage is so much better.

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

2015-12-31 Thread Ron
rom another distribution that used PCManfm as default, Thunar annoyed me so much that I removed it completely. It may have had to do with thunar refusing to recognize mime-types. So the solution was: # rm /usr/bin/thunar && ln -s /usr/bin/pcmanfm /usr/bin/thunar Cheers, Ron. --

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

2015-12-30 Thread Ron
ink Thunar to be a piece of excrement... Cheers, Ron. -- There never was a good war or a bad peace. -- B. Franklin -- http://www

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

2015-12-28 Thread Ron
l be more geek-like than the average Debian user, and will be know how to find and install whatever package they need which is not installed by default. So I would suggest we keep the default install as small as possible. And since I dont have any holidays, Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to all. R

Re: [DNG] Proposals for an xfce-desktop-lite

2015-12-28 Thread Ron
mounted ;-3( Cheers, Ron. -- Selre bið æghwæe þæt he hsi freond wrece, þonne he fella murne. -- Beowulf -- http://www.olgiati-in-

Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?

2015-12-26 Thread Ron
On Sat, 26 Dec 2015 22:22:36 +0100 Edward Bartolo <edb...@gmail.com> wrote: > Some restrictions on the unique-lable length should be put in place > not to end up with very long combersome drive names. USB drive are commonly vfat, which limits labels to 11 characters... C

Re: [DNG] Preferred automounter behavior?

2015-12-25 Thread Ron
nt by the ID so > it might look like /mnt/usb-Generic_Flash_Disk_0FEAEC2F-0:0-part1 > and /mnt/usb-Generic_Flash_Disk_0FEAEC2F-0:0-part2? My two-pence worth: If the partition has a label, use that and mount at /media/label (Why /mnt ?) Cheers, Ron. -- We can complain bec

Re: [DNG] top posting, was: Re: Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

2015-12-14 Thread Ron
ed the citation. This means that the citation is left only > because the author is too lazzy to cut it. > > Hence top-post, should be replaced by no citation at all. And when > citation is usefull, please use bottom-post. In other words: TRIM YOUR PO

Re: [DNG] Which email client can I use to properly quote emails?

2015-12-14 Thread Ron
On Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:02:49 -0500 Hendrik Boom <hend...@topoi.pooq.com> wrote: > And an advantage of mutt is that it does *not* automatically open html or > other non-plain-text files on you/ Neither does Claws-Mail, unless you have added the respective add-ons. C

Re: [DNG] Pointer error in the backend of Netman

2015-12-13 Thread Ron
Abend 0C7 (or 0CB) anyone ? Cheers, Ron. -- Physics is like sex: sure, it may give some practical results, but that's not why we do it.

Re: [DNG] Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

2015-12-13 Thread Ron
be heard and understood... Cheers, Ron. -- Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. (Hurting yourself is not sinful -- just stupid).

Re: [DNG] Debianising my uploaded version of netman.

2015-12-11 Thread Ron
he can > state that in his reply. That may be linked to your reluctance to bother with trimming the posts you reply to. There is no need to quote the entire original post... Cheers, Ron. -- Death to all fanatics.

Re: [DNG] alternative to raspbian without systemd

2015-11-27 Thread Ron
irst choice, since I'm already very familiar with debian. Have you considered IPFire ? It is a firewall distribution, derived from IPCop, and they have a stable 2.15 release that runs on the RaspberryPI B (NOT B+) and an Alpha 2.17 that runs on the B+. http://wiki.ipfire.org/en/hardware

Re: [DNG] Office pack

2015-11-02 Thread Ron
) ? Cheers, Ron. 1 As in beer 2 As in speech -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse juvabit. -- Publius Vergilius Maro -- http://www.olgiati-in-

Re: [DNG] Purpose of an OS: was network device naming

2015-10-05 Thread Ron
ub2 So that my / partition gets mounted as /dev/sda1 Cheers, Ron. -- There is no such thing as an ugly woman; there are only the ones who do not know how to make themselves attractive. --

Re: [DNG] wpa_supplicant/ifup integration documentation

2015-09-02 Thread Ron
for all; doing otherwise would bloat the > > interfaces file for the sole sake of this description. > That makes sense - provided that it's still possible to manually add entries > which fall into that other 1%. I hope so, since my home LAN is all fixed IP addresses. ;-3) Chee

Re: [DNG] The show goes on: “su” command replacement merged into systemd on Fedora Rawhide

2015-08-29 Thread Ron
On Sat, 29 Aug 2015 15:03:00 +0100 Edward Bartolo edb...@gmail.com wrote: The plague has come, but not in the form of a deadly bacterium, but in the new trend of, sacrificing function for fashion. Or the megalomaniac We are Systemd of Borg, resistance is futile... Cheers, Ron

Re: [DNG] Devuan compared to AntiX

2015-08-08 Thread Ron
on the mailinglist and in the irc channels indicate a desire to make the init system just another choice. Should the choice be offered within Devuan ? Or should we tell people who want systemd You have the choice of installing Debian ? Cheers, Ron. -- A team effort is a lot

Re: [DNG] Unmingling kdbus and the Linux kernel

2015-08-04 Thread Ron
of this... Cheers, Ron. -- There's no trick to being a humorist when you have the whole government working for you. -- Will Rogers -- http://www.olgiati

Re: [DNG] automount, mount, and USB sticks

2015-08-01 Thread Ron
If I wanted my users to use sudo, I would install them *ubuntu... Cheers, Ron. -- Schroedinger thought inside the box. -- http://www.olgiati-in-paraguay.org -- ___ Dng

Re: [DNG] OT: some ancient programming language history

2015-07-27 Thread Ron
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:20:03 -0400 Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org wrote: Or, as in APL, use = for assignment Sorry, read use A (left arrow) 1 2 3 4 for assignment Cheers, Ron. -- And it should be the law: If you use the word `paradigm' without knowing what

Re: [DNG] OT: some ancient programming language history

2015-07-27 Thread Ron
choice is to use := for assignment and == for equality. Forget about = altogether. Or, as in APL, use = for assignment and = for equality (all in one line ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- And it should be the law: If you use the word `paradigm' without knowing what the dictionary says it means

Re: [DNG] OT: some ancient programming language history

2015-07-27 Thread Ron
arrow symbol) (b + c) Cheers, Ron. -- Animals can be driven crazy by putting too many in too small a pen. Homo sapiens is the only animal that voluntarily does this to himself. -- Lazarus Long

Re: [DNG] Ashley Madison hack

2015-07-22 Thread Ron
know, and that could be anything from improperly updated software like Bash, to SSH, to anything. Or even getting credentials through phishing ;-3( Cheers, Ron. -- ...Nessun maggior dolore, Che ricordarsi del tempo felice

Re: [DNG] Proposed defaults changes

2015-07-15 Thread Ron
On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 16:38:43 +0200 Franco Lanza next...@nexlab.it wrote: traditionally UNIX has vi, this is why i'm suggesting it. Except that Debian does not have it when a boot prob sends you to the rescue console ;-3( Cheers, Ron. -- Il est plus honteux de se défier de ses amis

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

2015-06-08 Thread Ron
is that OK ? that pops up if such install in found needed, and we should all be in agreement. Cheers, Ron. -- A poet who reads his verse in public may have other nasty habits. --Lazarus Long

Re: [Dng] straw poll, non-free firmware for installers

2015-06-03 Thread Ron
On Wed, 03 Jun 2015 13:25:42 -0300 hellekin helle...@dyne.org wrote: the official Devuan network installer should not, IMO, support this case. It is not against users, but against manufacturers. So you want to punish users, for the sins of manufacturers ? Cheers, Ron

Re: [Dng] Everyone's favorite DE: GNOME3

2015-05-25 Thread Ron
to infect their product with systemd dependencies... Cheers, Ron. -- Withholding information is the essence of tyranny. Control of the flow of information is the tool of the dictatorship. -- Bruce Coville

Re: [Dng] Debian Dev: anti-systemd people hate women; thus respectable people should not support anti-systemd stance.

2015-05-03 Thread Ron
million killed by the Nazi did not happen, and that they are all G.W.Bush-hating Democrats... Cheers, Ron. -- Puella Rigensis ridebat Quam tigris in tergo vehebat; Exsterna profecta

Re: [Dng] OT: How do I keep my Wheezy from upgrading itself to Jessie?

2015-04-28 Thread Ron
On Tue, 28 Apr 2015 17:47:18 +0200 Anto arya...@chello.at wrote: There are a lot more packages that depend on systemd components on wheezy-backports. That is why I decided to downgrade all packages to wheezy and removed wheezy-backports from my source.list. Thanks, Anto. Cheers, Ron

Re: [Dng] OT: How do I keep my Wheezy from upgrading itself to Jessie?

2015-04-28 Thread Ron
://http.debian.net/debian wheezy-backports main Am I safe from a systemd infection ? Cheers, Ron. -- We'll cross that bridge when we come back to it later. -- http://www.olgiati

Re: [Dng] dev-list

2015-04-08 Thread Ron
are dead keen on a forum, at least please go for one of those that are ambivalent, and can be accessed as a forum as well as distribute all postings as emails. Cheers, Ron. -- Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest

Re: [Dng] [OT]I have been liberated!

2015-04-05 Thread Ron
learned over the years to keep our boxes running suddenly become unusable, no ? And suddenly everyone has to buy support from RH... Cheers, Ron. -- The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

2015-04-04 Thread Ron
On Sun, 05 Apr 2015 00:11:55 +0200 toto titi voidtothete...@gmail.com wrote: Nearly as complex as a Microsoft operating system, look at that : http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/ Please, Sir, could we have a registry ? Cheers, Ron. -- No Husband Has Ever Been

Re: [Dng] X and GPUs

2015-04-03 Thread Ron
, the reason people originally bought graphic cards (Hercules IIRC) was to get some graphic display posibility, in days when the PC could only display text in MDA mode... Cheers, Ron. -- The moment the slave resolves that he will no longer be a slave, his fetters fall. He frees

Re: [Dng] three important UI features

2015-02-28 Thread Ron
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 21:04:06 +0100 Wolfgang Pirker w_pir...@gmx.de wrote: Some other XFCE users might prefer the classical XFCE application menu. I do ;-3) Cheers, Ron. -- Women should be obscene and not absurd. -- Groucho

Re: [Dng] three important UI features

2015-02-22 Thread Ron
the entire knowledge-base on the web (potentially) available for users so they can troubleshoot problems outside of network connectivity, even if they haven't a clue what an ESSID is.  It should be easy to ship Devuan with a Wicd icon on the desktop... Cheers, Ron. -- Democracy

Re: [Dng] About separate mailing lists

2015-02-11 Thread Ron
On Wed, 11 Feb 2015 10:53:01 -0800 Usspookes Lovesystemd usspookslovesyste...@muchomail.com wrote: FUCK YOU Qu'en termes gracieux ces choses là sont dites... Cheers, Ron. -- Animals can be driven crazy by putting too many in too small a pen. Homo sapiens is the only animal

Re: [Dng] What's new in Systemd

2015-02-02 Thread Ron
of the spectrum... Cheers, Ron. -- The wisdom of the wise, and the experience of ages, may be preserved by quotation. -- Benjamin Disraeli

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