on systemd, without that dependency instead."
..can we use it (at least the name) to help people ditch, er,
upgrade systemd-shim away from their boxes?
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is "include everything unless it'd pull _really_
> fat dependencies, and even then the optional stuff should still be
> packaged", but it depends on whom you package it for. Best to use
> your best judgement.
>
>
> Meow!
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>
> [0]: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-art/issues/13
>
..I don't see "DEVUAN GNU/Linux forked from Debian SystemD/Linux",
preferably on 2 lines.
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3676 for
parser happiness.
3676 is a slight variation of text/plain, with a specified quoting style
and soft linebreaks. Blah blah SPCRLF blah is a soft linebreak, blah CRLF
blah is a hard linebreak. It's really good for paragraph-oriented text, but
poor for ASCII art.
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On Wed, 27 Jul 2016 16:23:46 -0700, Rick wrote in message
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> Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no):
>
> > ..re-running your tests now, do you still get the same results
> > now, as back then when you first checked?
>
&
ply on grounds of the known
> facts of what's in the damned thing.
>
> Now, you guys presumably all have Linux systems. Why pose the
> question? Why not just check, if you want to know?
..re-running your tests now, do you still get the same results
now, as back then when you first chec
a function in X call one in Y.
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..can we use it (at least the name) to help people ditch systemd
etc off their boxes?
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:05:35 +0200, Adam wrote in message
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> On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 07:39:58AM +0200, Klaus Fuerstberger wrote:
> > Arnt Karlsen schrieb am 25.07.2016 um 00:18:
> > > ..I'm on ascii with daemon-version: 0.9
of the libsystemd functions. If so, putting a printf("Hello
world!") into that function would suffice.
OK, so what makes libsystemd different from libc, which comes from the same
source? libc is stored in the same directory on the same debian servers
On Mon, 25 Jul 2016 07:39:58 +0200, Klaus wrote in message
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> Arnt Karlsen schrieb am 25.07.2016 um 00:18:
> > ..I'm on ascii with daemon-version: 0.99.4, and it's been stuck
> > there for a few months, do I need
loading subsidiary libraries. (The
compiler/linker may optimise the library for a particular address, but the
address-independency work is still done in principle.)
Data is static variables, values of constant strings and such.
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could you describe how this could be used to, say, make all applications
that link with libsystemd print "Hello world!" in addition to their normal
function?
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on ascii with daemon-version: 0.99.4, and it's been stuck
there for a few months, do I need to downgrade or some such?
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On Sat, 23 Jul 2016 10:45:43 +0200, Didier wrote in message
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> Le 22/07/2016 23:33, Rick Moen a écrit :
> > Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no):
> >
> >> ..bytt ut "inn" med "på", rett oversatt skal dette være:
&
On Fri, 22 Jul 2016 09:42:53 +0200, aitor_czr wrote in message
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>
> Hi Arnt,
>
> On 07/21/2016 01:51 PM, Arnt Karlsen <a...@iaksess.no> wrote:
> > On Thu, 21 Jul 2016 12:35:18 +0200, aitor_czr wrote in message
> > <5790
my fingers by almost 40 years of
> > programming and I find it definitely more convenient for that task.
>
> Would it help if I apologise pour l'impérialisme américain? ;->
>
> (Je crains que nous ne parlons pas de Devuan. Nous devrions parler
> des questions techniques, mais
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that cause malloc bombs, of course, and can ignore this.
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it's sysrq and linux:
https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/sysrq.txt
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ough reprepro could gain some incomplete support for it. (I guess
> there is some chance reprepro should already support retrieving
> packages from other repositories in this format. Adding such packages
> locally is likely not yet possible (though I guess one would have to
> try to be
pine and gut feelings and whatever bits we
do learn.
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On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:18:53 +0200, Arnt wrote in message
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> On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:09:14 +0200, Alexander wrote in message
> <20160720120914.gc25...@smithers.snow-crash.org>:
>
> > On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> >
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:23:02 +0100, Rowland wrote in message
<578f7b36.8030...@gmail.com>:
> On 20/07/16 14:10, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:15:27 +0100, Rowland wrote in message
> > <578f5d4f.2020...@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> On 20/07/16 1
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 14:09:14 +0200, Alexander wrote in message
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> On Wed, 20 Jul 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:25:39 +0200, Klaus wrote in message
> > <33d1c1ed-16ae-e76a
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:15:27 +0100, Rowland wrote in message
<578f5d4f.2020...@gmail.com>:
> On 20/07/16 12:11, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 22:48:20 +1200, Daniel wrote in message
> > <578f56f4.6060...@centurion.net.nz>:
> >
> >> Hi Ro
xtra thing to
check when there's a bug, etc. I'm just saying that libsystemd0 is not
horrendous in the way systemd is.
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repo temporarily to your sources.list to
> get around the issue.
>
> Regards,
> Daniel.
..as these conventions come and go these days, can you imagine
Hillary giving the Donald, or Putin etc similar access to her
email servers? ;oD Even temporarily? ;oD
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that case and fix whatever needs fixing.
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Tberefore, the
conventional solution to this problem is to require membership in a
bespoke group for shutdown/reboot rights.
I believe the conventional solution is to locate such hardware behind
locked doors and make sure few people have access to the power cabl
NDA.
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that too doesn't have a lot to do with login screens or multiseat.
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screen.
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of a small galaxy was parsing, studying and
evaluating whatever I said.
2. He asked a stupid question.
It's comforting in a way. If even someone like that can ask a stupid
question...
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> > computer' in Norwegian).
>
> Sorry, no. In Norwegian, that would be 'liten datamaskin'.
...which most Norwegians pronounce "leetn datamashin." ;o)
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t and start etc _whatever_ we want, in VMs,
and also keep an open eye on what the fine systemd folks e.g.
debian.org are scheming these days.
..nowadays I see Devuan falling apart exactly because Debian
is falling apart, for details, run: ' how-can-i-help '.
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we (Devuan) lean on Slackware and alien conversion,
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als like the TPP. ;o)
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is appropriate with this level of
> depravity. If we can't trust them, word should get out the their
> opinions are bought.
>
> That is my free opinion ;)
..this clearly is where we could have used a http://groklaw.net/
style website.
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shiny optional
pulseaudio-module-udev, where is the udev thing coming from?":
arnt@celsius:~$ apt-cache show pulseaudio-module-udev
Package: pulseaudio-module-udev
Source: pulseaudio
Version: 9.0-1
Installed-Size: 89
Maintainer: Pulseaudio maintenance team
<pkg-pulseaudio-de...@lists.
ft with two options: either elaborate
> a polkit-shim or discard applications which use it.
>
> Didier
..is there no --without-policykit switch we can use to recompile?
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of
the window.
I think this workaround is so little-used and little-known precisely
because it doesn't help. It just bypasses the 16-bit limitation and
immediately gives you another, much less tractable, problem.
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cluding all the code, and I think Linus said he did, too.)
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re you ok with them viewing you as a crack head conspiracy
theorist until they know, or get get first hand experience
the hard way themselves?
..good luck, you'll need it!
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development and support costs. This would be the
> > case even with no underhanded policies, and know that "no
> > underhanded policies" goes strictly against Microsoft volume
> > licensing policy.
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really need to stop relying on untrustworthy people.
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suppose I should've said 'operators' or 'developers'
> rather than 'users'.
..say 'operators' and||or||and/or 'developers', depending on context.
> I really need to work harder at getting myself up to speed so I can
> actually be 'useful' in this ...
>
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mmer guy (or gal) who then writes a program reimplementing
those specified ideas.
..a different language reimplementation of the eriginal ideas will most
probably require at least some manmade "new work" under copyright law.
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, either way, you do not wanna have a cranky cranked up nuke in
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Scenarios always come in sets of three:
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.
That's a fact?
I've met Linus, I've spoken to Jordan K. Hubbard on the phone a few times,
and I have run into Jim Gettys and Thomas Roell at conferences. They all
seemed pleasant enough, not at all like RMS.
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hy you _can_ write your own program as a drop-in
replacement to the original C program you once thought of to try port.
..to protect ideas, you need to patent them, which may be done in
combinations with copyright protections and contractual terms in
e.g. any canned EULA worm pit combination.
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packages.devuan.org?
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t - process control initialization
SYNOPSIS
/sbin/init [ -a ] [ -s ] [ -b ] [ -z xxx ] [ 0123456Ss ]
/sbin/telinit [ -t SECONDS ] [ 0123456sSQqabcUu ]
/sbin/telinit [ -e VAR[=VAL] ]
DESCRIPTION
"
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 13:30:58 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message
<20160601113058.GA8132@reflex>:
> On Wed, 01 Jun 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
> > ..is there a way to block out bad devuan mirrors?
> > I'm having trouble getting a few packages out of
> > ftp.acc.um
On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 12:56:03 +0200, Arnt wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> ..is there a way to block out bad devuan mirrors?
..and on my first try after posting this, that bad mirror works ok.
..I still prefer setting up my own lan devuan mirror.
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which denies me mariadb-test-data, python-matplotlib-data,
python-numpy-doc, selektor, urweb-doc, urwed-mode and a bunch of
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On Wed, 1 Jun 2016 00:12:58 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message
<20160531221258.GA9551@reflex>:
> On Tue, 31 May 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
> > ..weird new zzz-dist is pushed out on Debian mirrors,
> > to defeat our "merged" mirror scheme???, Fw: zzz-di
.@debian.org>
>
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On Mon, 30 May 2016 17:15:54 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message
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>
>
> dear Arnt,
>
> On Mon, 30 May 2016, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
> > ..this far I'm only aware of political, military, monetary etc
> > power/might reasons why th
ug-fix build coming out
of git that will need guinea pigs. ;o)
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atile'
deb http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main
deb-src http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-updates main
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On Sun, 29 May 2016 08:20:01 +0200, Edward wrote in message
it kills the graphics, keyboard and touch
pad drivers.
Ssh-ing in works, but the easiest fix is yank the power, do a
fsck boot and then boot to the console and switch to kdm or
wdm etc.
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portbug postgres ".
..we have reportbug set up to devuan.org and not debian.org?
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Scenarios always come in sets of three:
best
are#Sound_servers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_server
..why not try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JACK_Audio_Connection_Kit
on ditching PulseAudio?
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S
The main difference is whether you want to keep being the original user
or become root. Sudo keeps yourself when it can, su changes when it
can. The difference affects e.g. $PATH, which sudo leaves alone and su
resets to root's value.
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gt; >
> > setxkbmap -option caps:none
>
> Yes, and where should I put this command?
..and, can it be disabled or reset automagically after e.g.
30 seconds? Or on e.g. leaving the text editor briefly?
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On Wed, 18 May 2016 16:10:19 -0400, Boruch wrote in message
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> On 2016-05-18 21:27, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 May 2016 13:05:31 -0400, Boruch wrote in message
> > > Sounds to me like an issue with 'p
On Wed, 18 May 2016 19:23:27 +0200, Irrwahn wrote in message
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> On Wed, 18 May 2016 18:24:23 +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
> [about booting a system after Debian\Sid to Devuan\Ceres transition]
>
> > ..now having thrown
On Wed, 18 May 2016 13:05:31 -0400, Boruch wrote in message
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> On 2016-05-18 18:24, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > DNG, I'm still left with runlevel 1, the damned thin will only
> > accept root's passwd on the console, I can start and
machine so I can see /etc/rcS.d/ and /etc/rc2.d/ listings?
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Scenarios always come in sets of three:
best case, worst case, and
? Or do you
suggest that when a server process quits because of if(!malloc()) exit()
that has different implications regarding restarts and reliability than if
the process is killed by the oomkiller? Or what?
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helle...@dyne.org writes:
auto.mirrors does not exist: only auto.mirror does. Unknown names point
to www.devuan.org.
Auto.mirrors exists as of yesterday. It was on the devuan home page due to
a typo. Nextime made the typo work, then fixed the typo.
Arnt
kato...@freaknet.org writes:
Seeing that 90% of free software uses autohell I guess it might be not
so ugly :)
That's the Microsoft Windows argument: "Seeing that 90% use windows it
can't be so bad".
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ave the same command, then they use the
same keyboard shortcut for that command".
The early KDE developers held a session at a place called Arnsberg where
the scope of this was hashed out for the KDE. The list on the whiteboard
was 10-15 items long (in general
it was made.
So do you want a history lesson, or do you want to go on just being right?
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this ambition.
Different lpr versions did have various bits of this. IIRC I wrote code to
autodetect and support seven different versions of it, and didn't enjoy
that task at all.
IPP is good, even if Cups isn't the best possible implementation.
Arnt
Rainer Weikusat writes:
... their OT posts / trolls / rants / 'news' items for just
one month.
It would be nice to have a bit less blahblah about random systemd-related
topics and a bit more about devuan. I've more or less phased out from the
list because of that, actually.
Arnt
hat aitor is rightfully doing. The
> packages are already there, and there is no need to support another
> port...
..this means Devuan is _not_ the answer for the millions of
armv6+FP2/rpi0/1 users out there.
Pity, we could have used them here.
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Dr. Nikolaus Klepp writes:
Am Freitag, 4. März 2016 schrieb Arnt Gulbrandsen:
You said secure boot's security is blown out of the water because it's
possible to run untrusted code under certain circumstances. IMHO it
provides useful security because (absent mistakes by the owner
mistakes by the owner) there are
many attackers who cannot make use of those circumstances.
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evade its security? I'm not
interested in how I could misconfigure it, because I'm not worried about
attacks by myself. Assuming I configured it sensibly, how would you either
access the data or install password-sniffing software?
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hat bad to me - I'm about to start adding Wheezy LTS
> repos to my systems.
..this would be the very best starting point for Devuan as a distro.
>
> But then I still have Squeeze and Lenny systems running (they aren't
> broken ...) - don't think I have anything older than that !
-
The number depends on how you count and what you
count, but all that's offtopic here.)
The other 80% are solidly held by android and ios, but 20% isn't zero.
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Debian archives aren't
> searchable. Anyway, these three give you the feel for what I'm talking
> about.
..you were too naïve and not nearly paranoid enough:
https://github.com/systemd/systemd/blob/master/NEWS
..our dear Lennart explained my Sid networking problems: ;o)
https://www.phoronix
evuan? It's Perrrsssonal now. ;o)
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Trump's run for president will survive Debian.
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..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
Scenarios always come in sets of three:
best case, worst case, and just in case.
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On Sat, 6 Feb 2016 13:34:11 +0100, Arnt wrote in message
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> On Sat, 06 Feb 2016 01:46:21 +0100, aitor_czr wrote in message
> <56b5425d.6020...@gnuinos.org>:
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> > On 02/05/2016 07:18 PM, Go Linux <goli...@yahoo.com>
flavor a year ago, rather than todays Raspian Jessie.
I have one of each ready for guinea pig service. ;o)
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..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen
...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...
Scenarios always come in sets of three:
best case, worst c
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