Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-08-25 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 17:29:43 +0200 Joerg Reisenweber reisenwe...@web.de wrote: On Sun 26 July 2015 23:18:58 Steve Litt wrote: You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works without X or window manager. Heck, I'll do

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-08-25 Thread Joerg Reisenweber
On Sun 26 July 2015 23:18:58 Steve Litt wrote: You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works without X or window manager. Heck, I'll do it myself if more than 20 people want it. +1 /j signature.asc Description: This is

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-29 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 11:18:58PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works without X or window manager. Heck, I'll do it myself if more than 20 people want it. Or you can do it with mount,

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-28 Thread John Jensen
I know it's decided that XFCE will be the default, which is fine, and as a simply end user I'll be happy with a functional system. I do have a question though. I find JWM to be quite flexible, although I've still much to try and learn about configuring it. It seems to do about everything a person

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-27 Thread Isaac Dunham
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 12:00:02AM +, Roger Leigh wrote: On 24/07/2015 23:48, James Powell wrote: CDE is a classic UNIX desktop, but it has long been since viable for modern usages. Xfce, in truth, was a modern replacement for it using Xforms since Motif was, at the time, under a

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-27 Thread Steve Litt
On Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:24:45 +0200 tilt! t...@linuxfoo.de wrote: Steve Litt wrote on 27/07/2015 at 05:18 CEST: You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works without X or window manager. Heck, I'll do it myself if

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-27 Thread KatolaZ
On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 02:49:54PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: [cut] As far as Windowmaker and Gnustep, if you can get those to serve you in any kind of productive way, you're a better man than I. I find Unity easier to use than those two. Speaking of Unity, Unity proved how many users a

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-27 Thread tilt!
Steve Litt wrote on 27/07/2015 at 05:18 CEST: You can roll your own automount with one day's work using inotify-wait, dmesg, sudo, lsblk, and the mount command. Works without X or window manager. Heck, I'll do it myself if more than 20 people want it. +1 However, I dont' have sudo installed,

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 07/26/2015 03:43 AM, KatolaZ wrote: I agree on keeping an eye on GNUStep but, despite I am a WMaker user, I wouldn't recommend it as a default in Devuan either. HND KatolaZ Just my two cents, Realistically, I believe the only sane choice for a *default* is XFCE 4.12. Aesthetically,

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015 09:43:26 +0100 KatolaZ kato...@freaknet.org wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 12:21:14PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: I personally don't see way we should have CDE as a default in Devuan, given that the large majority of users would surely prefer something *usable* instead than

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread Teodoro Santoni
Good evening, On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 02:49:54PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: I thought we'd decided on Xfce, and I'd thought that we managed to de-xxx-ize Xfce. Everyone (except me) likes Xfce, why not use it? It's trivial to use, even for somebody who's never seen it before. It's the Nano

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread Steve Litt
automount utility to replace udisks. From: Teodoro Santonimailto:asbras...@gmail.com Sent: ‎7/‎26/‎2015 12:17 PM To: Steve Littmailto:sl...@troubleshooters.com Cc: dng@lists.dyne.orgmailto:dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager Good

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread James Powell
...@gmail.com Sent: ‎7/‎26/‎2015 12:17 PM To: Steve Littmailto:sl...@troubleshooters.com Cc: dng@lists.dyne.orgmailto:dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager Good evening, On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 02:49:54PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: I thought we'd decided on Xfce, and I'd

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread T.J. Duchene
to replace udisks. From: Teodoro Santonimailto:asbras...@gmail.com Sent: ‎7/‎26/‎2015 12:17 PM To: Steve Littmailto:sl...@troubleshooters.com Cc: dng@lists.dyne.orgmailto:dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager Good evening

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-26 Thread Jaromil
On Sun, 26 Jul 2015, Steve Litt wrote: I thought we'd decided on Xfce sure! we are not debating a new decision on the default desktop here ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 7/25/2015 9:54 AM, Steve Litt wrote: I've heard that wayland will require systemd. SteveT I have to apologize, Steve. When I refer to Wayland I am referring to the Linux project, which as far as I know does NOT have anything to do with systemd. It's just easier to call it Wayland

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 08:05:00 -0300 Marlon Nunes nu...@openmailbox.org wrote: That's funny, yet everybody are 'still' using and depend on it to do every day 'real' work and making money with it. Until one can use wayland to get real work done, we can start talking about it again. I've heard

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread Jude Nelson
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 2:41 PM, Hendrik Boom hend...@topoi.pooq.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 12:47:13PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: On 7/25/2015 9:54 AM, Steve Litt wrote: I've heard that wayland will require systemd. SteveT I have to apologize, Steve. When I

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread Marlon Nunes
On 2015-07-24 23:14, T.J. Duchene wrote: On 7/24/2015 8:02 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote: On 2015-07-24 21:17, T.J. Duchene wrote: CDE is basically dead, and in my opinion should remain dead. While I can share your enthusiasm for older DE's, CDE was never a favorite of anyone except corporate.

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread Jaromil
On Sat, 25 Jul 2015, Marlon Nunes wrote: Until one can use wayland to get real work done, we can start talking about it again. I'm in favor of keeping this up as a general attitude for Devuan choices. It is really important to understand that many of us are here because we rely on tech in

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread Jaromil
On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, T.J. Duchene wrote: Not really, it wasn't a 'favorite' because it was not free. I'm just saying that actual CDE use was rather a niche. Most used something else back in the day. didn't it ship by default with Sun and SGI machines? I remember using it as well something

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread Marlon Nunes
On 2015-07-25 08:12, Roger Leigh wrote: On 25/07/2015 10:53, James Powell wrote: CDE was the defacto desktop for many UNIX branded systems like IRIX, Solaris, HP-UX, and others until many replaced it with Gnome2, Xfce, KDE, and others. Sun/Oracle replaced CDE with Java Desktop Environment back

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:14:57PM -0500, T.J. Duchene wrote: Setting that aside for a moment, X11 is a network protocol, not a display system, and seldom used in today's world. I'm very aware that X11 is a network protocol. I often use it that way. Invaluable! -- hendrik

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread James Powell
was still unstable with some operations. From: Marlon Nunesmailto:nu...@openmailbox.org Sent: ‎7/‎24/‎2015 4:31 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.orgmailto:dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: [DNG] A better default windows manager Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread Marlon Nunes
differences. However, last I had heard CDE was still unstable with some operations. I'm building it on NetBSD-Current to see how it goes - From: Marlon Nunes Sent: ‎7/‎24/‎2015 4:31 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: [DNG] A better default windows manager Guys what

[DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread Marlon Nunes
Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop environment to be the 'default' desktop for devuan 2.0? here's what i'm talking about: http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/ http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/What%20is%20CDE%3F/ CDE was designed with end users, software

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread Marlon Nunes
On 2015-07-24 20:30, Marlon Nunes wrote: Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop environment to be the 'default' desktop for devuan 2.0? here's what i'm talking about: http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/ http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/What%20is%20CDE%3F/ CDE

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread James Powell
default windows manager On 2015-07-24 20:48, James Powell wrote: CDE is a classic UNIX desktop, but it has long been since viable for modern usages. Xfce, in truth, was a modern replacement for it using Xforms since Motif was, at the time, under a different license. It bears the same classic

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread Marlon Nunes
On 2015-07-24 21:17, T.J. Duchene wrote: On 7/24/2015 6:30 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote: Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop environment to be the 'default' desktop for devuan 2.0? here's what i'm talking about: http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 7/24/2015 8:02 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote: On 2015-07-24 21:17, T.J. Duchene wrote: CDE is basically dead, and in my opinion should remain dead. While I can share your enthusiasm for older DE's, CDE was never a favorite of anyone except corporate. Everyone else was using FVWM, Andrew, or

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread Marlon Nunes
PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: [DNG] A better default windows manager Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop environment to be the 'default' desktop for devuan 2.0? here's what i'm talking about: http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/ [1] [1] http

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread T.J. Duchene
On 7/24/2015 6:30 PM, Marlon Nunes wrote: Guys what about a true UNIX and complete desktop environment to be the 'default' desktop for devuan 2.0? here's what i'm talking about: http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/Home/ http://sourceforge.net/p/cdesktopenv/wiki/What%20is%20CDE%3F/

Re: [DNG] A better default windows manager

2015-07-24 Thread Roger Leigh
On 24/07/2015 23:48, James Powell wrote: CDE is a classic UNIX desktop, but it has long been since viable for modern usages. Xfce, in truth, was a modern replacement for it using Xforms since Motif was, at the time, under a different license. It bears the same classic layout minus some