Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> This was true in thousands of other people's experience.
You are a very amusing person. Thank you for that.
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On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 12:45:27PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 02:34:36PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 23:23:47 +0200 (CEST)
> > k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> >
> > > Manually creating xorg.conf is required if you e.g. has a serial
> > > (rs232) m
On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 at 09:03:04 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
>
>> 1) they did not work (a lot of the times);
>
> That was not true in my long and varied experience.
This was true in thousands of other people's experience.
> (I have run insta
On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 02:34:36PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 23:23:47 +0200 (CEST)
> k...@aspodata.se wrote:
>
> > Manually creating xorg.conf is required if you e.g. has a serial
> > (rs232) mouse.
>
> Who does? Really, who today uses a mouse based on a technolo
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> 1) they did not work (a lot of the times);
That was not true in my long and varied experience.
(I have run installfests for eight or nine Linux and BSD
user groups in the San Francisco Bay Area from the middle 1990s to the
present day.)
> 2
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 at 22:46:28 +0200
Antony Stone wrote:
[...]
> (and, for what it's worth, my preference is to stick with ethX as a
> default,
My favourite choice for the default behaviour, too.
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On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 23:23:47 +0200 (CEST)
k...@aspodata.se wrote:
> Manually creating xorg.conf is required if you e.g. has a serial
> (rs232) mouse.
Who does? Really, who today uses a mouse based on a technology that went
out of production some 15 years ago and uses a connector that is ab
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 14:32:39 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Red Hat's
> easy/GUI X configuration tool was called Xconfigurator.[1] I vaguely
> recall that SUSE and Debian, among many others, had various other ones
> with a variety of names.
They were all dropped for the same reasons:
1) they d
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com):
> To take it a step further, for gosh sakes, write for clarity. Quote
> what's relevant to your reply, including what person said it, and
> delete all quoted material not relevant to your reply. If you're
> interleave posting, please please PLEASE de
On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 00:35:13 +0200
Svante Signell wrote:
> Hi Edward,
>
> Can you please quote the relevant parts of the mail you are replying
> to, especially the name of the person who sent that mail. Please ;)
Yes! And I wish everybody would do what Svante says. And it's not just
Edward, by
On Thu, 2017-08-24 at 22:16 +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Option 3 will break simple-netaid both the frontend and the backend.
> Option 1 may not need any code changing.
>
> What is the advantage if any of naming an interface eth0of1? Why eth0
> is appended with an 'of1'? Why not just use eth0, e
Le 24/08/2017 à 17:45, Rick Moen a écrit :
(To my knowledge, I'm the only Rick who's recently posted.) Just a
point: I've steered clear of said off-topic philosophical discussion,
and spoken only on the subthreads about X configuration and about
fvwm/SLiM.
Rick,
Excuse me if I've incl
On 08/24/2017 09:34 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Quote by Narcis Garcia: "...Volkswagen...soviet...assassination...mom"
>
> ???
> Sorry, I don't read minds and have no intention to waste my time
> trying to decipher what you could have written in a way that could be
> understood immediately.
>
> S
On Thursday 24 August 2017 at 22:04:40, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 10:28:55 +0200
>
> Antony Stone wrote:
> >
> > 3. To those who have been posting it - please stop, and get back
> > on-topic about making Devuan a better distribution.
>
> Ummm, no. Part of making a better Devuan d
Option 3 will break simple-netaid both the frontend and the backend.
Option 1 may not need any code changing.
What is the advantage if any of naming an interface eth0of1? Why eth0
is appended with an 'of1'? Why not just use eth0, eth1, , ethN
instead?
--
If you can't explain it simply, you d
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 10:28:55 +0200
Antony Stone wrote:
> On Thursday 24 August 2017 at 10:24:56, Narcis Garcia wrote:
>
> > ...Wolkswagen Beetle ...
> > ...Volkswagens of various models
> > ...mom's 1967 1300 Beetle...
> > ...Soviet Politburo pictures "evolve"...
> > ...trump-may-not-survive
Quoting Harald Arnesen (har...@skogtun.org):
> Red Hat 7 was released in 2000, according to Wikipedia.
Hey, you're right, thanks! That'll teach me to post from memory when
I'm jet-lagged.
So, Linux distributions have had even-easier X configurator tools
since at the very latest 2000. I'm reas
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> Alessandro, Narcis, Rick,
>
> You have plenty of technical skills and usefull ideas. Could you
> please concentrate on these. Since this site is also about KISS, I
> bet some people (like me) would really like to know how to get the
> best of Xorg wi
Quote by Narcis Garcia: "...Volkswagen...soviet...assassination...mom"
???
Sorry, I don't read minds and have no intention to waste my time
trying to decipher what you could have written in a way that could be
understood immediately.
Sorry for my rude reply but writing illegible replies is also r
El 24/08/17 a les 11:33, Edward Bartolo ha escrit:
> Quote by Karl Hammar: "There are several drawback useing the old
> transformer + rectifier design. Of main consern is the current spikes
> seen on the power grid when the diodes starts to conduct. Your power
> supplier don't like them and that i
Thanks for the reference. It was a very interesting reading. I really
appreciated it.
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(Albert Einstein)
If you cannot make abstructions about details you do not understand
the concepts underlying them.
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Edward Bartolo:
...
> For voltage rectification Power Factor Correction (PFC) is not an
> issue.
...
For ac input, diodes gives you awful ac input currents, see e.g
fig. 2 in:
http://www.vishay.com/docs/88868/anpfc.pdf
which is (somewhat) corrected by PFC. It has nothing to do with a
switch mod
Rick Moen [2017-08-23 23:32]:
> Quoting Harald Arnesen (har...@skogtun.org):
>
>> >> Manual Xorg configuration is so tedious, time consuming and error
>> >> prone that requiring users to be capable of it is just crazy.
>> > Au contraire: Even if you had nothing besides Xorg (or previously
>> > XF
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 10:18:37 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message
<20170824101837.255a0b19@ayu>:
> > ..you missed my "e.g.", and my point. ;o)
>
> Which is a moot example, as systemd can be done away with.
..precisely like yourself. EOD.
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Quote by Karl Hammar: "There are several drawback useing the old
transformer + rectifier design. Of main consern is the current spikes
seen on the power grid when the diodes starts to conduct. Your power
supplier don't like them and that is why we have PFC to make the unit
behave more like a resis
Le 24/08/2017 à 10:18, Alessandro Selli a écrit :
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 23:18:19 +0200
Arnt Karlsen wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:00:12 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message
<20170823180012.327dbdc8@ayu>:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 14:22:34 +0200
Arnt Karlsen wrote:
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:34:49
On Thursday 24 August 2017 at 10:24:56, Narcis Garcia wrote:
> ...Wolkswagen Beetle ...
> ...Volkswagens of various models
> ...mom's 1967 1300 Beetle...
> ...Soviet Politburo pictures "evolve"...
> ...trump-may-not-survive-his-term-but-the-assassination-complex-will...
> ...Italian history is
...Wolkswagen Beetle ...
...Volkswagens of various models
...mom's 1967 1300 Beetle...
...Soviet Politburo pictures "evolve"...
...trump-may-not-survive-his-term-but-the-assassination-complex-will...
...Italian history is quite different from Polish history...
What are you talking about?
It's
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 23:18:19 +0200
Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:00:12 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message
> <20170823180012.327dbdc8@ayu>:
>
>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 14:22:34 +0200
>> Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:34:49 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message
Edward Bartolo:
...
> For instance, a mains transformer based power supply, normally has a
> far longer life than a switched mode power supply, although the latter
...
There are several drawback useing the old transformer + rectifier
design. Of main consern is the current spikes seen on the power
Quoting Harald Arnesen (har...@skogtun.org):
> >> Manual Xorg configuration is so tedious, time consuming and error
> >> prone that requiring users to be capable of it is just crazy.
> > Au contraire: Even if you had nothing besides Xorg (or previously
> > XFree86) itself, in almost all cases you
Alessandro:
> On 22/08/2017 at 02:01, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> >
> >> Manually creating the configuration -- or even manually triggering its
> >> creation -- is a pretty bad idea. It just guarantees you won't have
> >> working X when you make any change
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 10:06:26 -0700
> Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> >
> >> Not having to login as root to manually configure Xorg just to change
> >> video card or monitor was one of the bes
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:00:12 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message
<20170823180012.327dbdc8@ayu>:
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 14:22:34 +0200
> Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:34:49 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message
> > :
> >
> >> On 22/08/2017 at 13:36, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> >>>
Rick Moen [2017-08-23 19:06]:
> Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
>
>> Not having to login as root to manually configure Xorg just to change
>> video card or monitor was one of the best and most wanted improvements in
>> Linux in the past 10 years.
> I'm sure, but on the othe
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 18:50:35 +0200
Edward Bartolo wrote:
> Sometimes there are advantages in opting to use the old way.
Sometimes. But electric car starters are not anything new, they were
patented in 1911, 15 years after they were first produced, at a time when
Artificial Intelligence mea
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 10:06:26 -0700
Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
>
>> Not having to login as root to manually configure Xorg just to change
>> video card or monitor was one of the best and most wanted improvements in
>> Linux in the past 10 years.
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 18:50:35 +0200, Edward wrote in message
:
> Sometimes there are advantages in opting to use the old way.
>
> For instance, a mains transformer based power supply, normally has a
> far longer life than a switched mode power supply, although the latter
> offer the advantage of
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com):
> Not having to login as root to manually configure Xorg just to change
> video card or monitor was one of the best and most wanted improvements in
> Linux in the past 10 years.
I'm sure, but on the other hand, how often did that happen? Ex
Sometimes there are advantages in opting to use the old way.
For instance, a mains transformer based power supply, normally has a
far longer life than a switched mode power supply, although the latter
offer the advantage of supplying far higher currents at lower DC
voltages. Still, for an old elec
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 at 14:22:34 +0200
Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:34:49 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message
> :
>
>> On 22/08/2017 at 13:36, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 03:38:50 +0200, Adam wrote in message
>>> <20170822013850.ute5cf7ycrlvc...@angband.pl>:
>>>
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 09:34:49 +0200, Alessandro wrote in message
:
> On 22/08/2017 at 13:36, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 03:38:50 +0200, Adam wrote in message
> > <20170822013850.ute5cf7ycrlvc...@angband.pl>:
> >
> >> There are cases when the old way had its merit -- but here, we
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 09:51:46AM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote:
> On 22/08/2017 at 15:36, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> > The advantage of supporting an option like "hwaddr=a0:d3:c1:9d:a5:86"
> > is that the admin is free to specify interfaces by names or by MAC
> > address. Of course, there is now
Le 23/08/2017 à 09:51, Alessandro Selli a écrit :
Actually, changing an interface's MAC address is not at all "severe
hacking", it's as easy as running ip link set address 00:e0:4d:78:5b:5b dev
eth0
By "severe", I didn't mean "difficult" :-)
Didier
On 22/08/2017 at 15:36, Didier Kryn wrote:
[...]
> The advantage of supporting an option like "hwaddr=a0:d3:c1:9d:a5:86"
> is that the admin is free to specify interfaces by names or by MAC
> address. Of course, there is now the possibility to change the MAC address
> of an interface, but thi
On 22/08/2017 at 02:01, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
>
>> Manually creating the configuration -- or even manually triggering its
>> creation -- is a pretty bad idea. It just guarantees you won't have
>> working X when you make any change to your hardware -- and
On 22/08/2017 at 13:36, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 03:38:50 +0200, Adam wrote in message
> <20170822013850.ute5cf7ycrlvc...@angband.pl>:
>
>> There are cases when the old way had its merit -- but here, we have an
>> equivalent of a car that needs to be started with a hand-crank.
>
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com):
> In the old days, this was exactly what you always had to do. I had to
> manually calculate all the timing numbers from hints privided by the
> monitor documentation (usually hidden in the advertising blurb on the box the
> monitor came in), havi
Le 22/08/2017 à 15:09, Hendrik Boom a écrit :
Note that a similar problem with disks has been solved elegantly by
referencing disks by their uuid or label in /etc/fstab. Maybe
/etc/network/interface could specify the MAC address as a hook. This would
only suppose that the hotplugger creates
On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 09:09:11 -0400
Hendrik Boom wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 03:52:44PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
> >
> > Note that a similar problem with disks has been solved
> > elegantly by referencing disks by their uuid or label
> > in /etc/fstab. Maybe /etc/network/interface could
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 03:52:44PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote:
>
> Note that a similar problem with disks has been solved elegantly by
> referencing disks by their uuid or label in /etc/fstab. Maybe
> /etc/network/interface could specify the MAC address as a hook. This would
> only suppose that
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 01:08:25AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> Manually creating the configuration -- or even manually triggering its
> creation -- is a pretty bad idea. It just guarantees you won't have working
> X when you make any change to your hardware -- and sometimes software as
> well
On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 03:38:50 +0200, Adam wrote in message
<20170822013850.ute5cf7ycrlvc...@angband.pl>:
> There are cases when the old way had its merit -- but here, we have an
> equivalent of a car that needs to be started with a hand-crank.
..you may have missed "Brave New World" by Aldous Hux
Le 22/08/2017 à 03:38, Adam Borowski a écrit :
Per the other thread, the only thing you need udev/mdev for anymore is
setting permissions and calling hooks. Don't tell me that udev is a "big
price" on any machine bigger than a microcontroller these days.
The price of depending on Udev-Syst
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> There are cases when the old way had its merit -- but here, we have an
> equivalent of a car that needs to be started with a hand-crank.
This is an exaggeration by orders of magnitude. But you're certainly
entitled to your opinion.
> Then write jus
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 05:01:13PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
>
> > Manually creating the configuration -- or even manually triggering its
> > creation -- is a pretty bad idea. It just guarantees you won't have
> > working X when you make any change to
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl):
> Manually creating the configuration -- or even manually triggering its
> creation -- is a pretty bad idea. It just guarantees you won't have
> working X when you make any change to your hardware -- and sometimes
> software as well.
Gosh, what you ca
On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 02:30:00PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> My guess is that the udev developers thought 'It'd be excellent to
> automatically supply to the starting Xorg binary the output of "Xorg
> -configure" when /etc/X11/Xorg.conf doesn't exist, thereby making Xorg
> automagically able to re
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
> Sorry, Rick, but I don't understand how it is possible that, on
> one hand, it needs libudev to configure itself, and, on the other
> hand, it is able to generate its config file without it. Can you
> explain this paradox?
Not really, no.
My guess is that t
Le 21/08/2017 à 16:48, Rick Moen a écrit :
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
[mdev:]
Sure it would be helpful :-) AFAIK X11 is able to configure
itself automatically without a config file when libudev provides it
with an interface to query device properties, and without this
library it is n
Quoting Didier Kryn (k...@in2p3.fr):
[mdev:]
> Sure it would be helpful :-) AFAIK X11 is able to configure
> itself automatically without a config file when libudev provides it
> with an interface to query device properties, and without this
> library it is necessary to provide a config file.
At
El 21/08/17 a les 15:52, Didier Kryn ha escrit:
> Note that a similar problem with disks has been solved elegantly by
> referencing disks by their uuid or label in /etc/fstab. Maybe
> /etc/network/interface could specify the MAC address as a hook. This
> would only suppose that the hotplugger c
Le 21/08/2017 à 16:04, k...@aspodata.se a écrit :
Didier Kryn:
Le 21/08/2017 à 14:41, Arnt Karlsen a écrit :
..we need to sell either vdev or eudev or some such non-systemd
udev upstream to Linus and the kernel guys and get them happy
about kicking out systemd-udev from the kernel code base.
[
Didier Kryn:
> Le 21/08/2017 à 14:41, Arnt Karlsen a écrit :
> > ..we need to sell either vdev or eudev or some such non-systemd
> > udev upstream to Linus and the kernel guys and get them happy
> > about kicking out systemd-udev from the kernel code base.
>
> [OT]I would prefer Mdev if the is
Le 21/08/2017 à 14:41, Arnt Karlsen a écrit :
..we need to sell either vdev or eudev or some such non-systemd
udev upstream to Linus and the kernel guys and get them happy
about kicking out systemd-udev from the kernel code base.
[OT]I would prefer Mdev if the issue with X11 could be solved
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