Re: [DNG] Historical note on double negation.

2020-12-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 08:47:50PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > > > I've been told that was the case in a long-gonne ancestor of modern > > English, possible Old English or the language of Beowulf. > > It's not quite the same thing, but I am suddenly

Re: [DNG] Historical note on double negation.

2020-12-25 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 08:53:01PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Ian Zimmerman (i...@very.loosely.org): > > > But if "and" is a conjunction in this sentence pattern, the nouns or > > pronouns it joins together form the subject, and so they ought to be in > > the nominative, i.e. "John and I".

Re: [DNG] Historical note on double negation.

2020-12-25 Thread Harald Arnesen via Dng
Rick Moen [25.12.2020 05:47]: > Here, my gift to thee and thee, for the Jul holiday (and let us remember > Poul and his wife Karen fondly): He was one of the great SF writers, sorely missed. -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org http

Re: [DNG] Historical note on double negation.

2020-12-24 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Ian Zimmerman (i...@very.loosely.org): > But if "and" is a conjunction in this sentence pattern, the nouns or > pronouns it joins together form the subject, and so they ought to be in > the nominative, i.e. "John and I". Indeed. I vaguely recall Hendrik suggesting that 'and' functioning

Re: [DNG] Historical note on double negation.

2020-12-24 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > I've been told that was the case in a long-gonne ancestor of modern > English, possible Old English or the language of Beowulf. It's not quite the same thing, but I am suddenly in a mind to provide a link to a lovely piece by my acquaintance Poul A

Re: [DNG] Historical note on double negation.

2020-12-24 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 08:30:32PM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2020-12-24 16:19, Rick Moen wrote: > > > > Another such an example is > > >John and me went swimming. > > > Here 'and' serves as a preposition. > > > > I'm not sure where the location is, where 'and' fails to be a > > conjunc

Re: [DNG] Historical note on double negation.

2020-12-24 Thread Ian Zimmerman
On 2020-12-24 16:19, Rick Moen wrote: > > Another such an example is > >John and me went swimming. > > Here 'and' serves as a preposition. > > I'm not sure where the location is, where 'and' fails to be a > conjunction when used between two nouns in that fashion, but I'm > curious what colour

Re: [DNG] Historical note on double negation.

2020-12-24 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 04:19:43PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > > > Another such an example is > >John and me went swimming. > > Here 'and' serves as a preposition. > > I'm not sure where the location is, where 'and' fails to be a conjunction > wh

Re: [DNG] Historical note on double negation.

2020-12-24 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > Another such an example is >John and me went swimming. > Here 'and' serves as a preposition. I'm not sure where the location is, where 'and' fails to be a conjunction when used between two nouns in that fashion, but I'm curious what colour the

Re: [DNG] Historical note on double negation.

2020-12-24 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 24 December 2020 at 15:49:22, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 10:30:58AM +0100, aitor wrote: > > On 24/12/20 10:23, aitor wrote: > > > neither the mouse nor the keyboard didn't respond > > > > Mmm..., this is a double denial. Neither the mouse nor the keyboard could > >

Re: [DNG] Historical note on double negation.

2020-12-24 Thread Rowland penny via Dng
On 24/12/2020 14:49, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 10:30:58AM +0100, aitor wrote: On 24/12/20 10:23, aitor wrote: neither the mouse nor the keyboard didn't respond Mmm..., this is a double denial. Neither the mouse nor the keyboard could respond? Agreed. Happy to see neither..n

Re: [DNG] Historical note on double negation.

2020-12-24 Thread aitor
Hi Hendrik, On 24/12/20 15:49, Hendrik Boom wrote: Agreed. Happy to see neither..nor used. Sometimes that's the clearest way to say something. But I'd have said "neither the mouse nor the keyboard responded". This seems to be the prevailing English convention about double negation nowadays -

[DNG] Historical note on double negation.

2020-12-24 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Dec 24, 2020 at 10:30:58AM +0100, aitor wrote: > On 24/12/20 10:23, aitor wrote: > > neither the mouse nor the keyboard didn't respond > Mmm..., this is a double denial. Neither the mouse nor the keyboard could > respond? Agreed. Happy to see neither..nor used. Sometimes that's the clear